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Hack Chat Transcript, Part 3

A event log for From Software to Tindie Hack Chat

Brian Lough's journey from developer to hardware hacker

LutetiumLutetium 03/06/2019 at 21:090 Comments

Kris Winer12:48 PM
@Josh Lloyd Of course...

Josh Lloyd12:48 PM
@Kris Winer I'm starting a new low power ESP32 project, I'll keep your power requirements in mind. How often do you need to capture a sensor reading?

Sophi Kravitz12:49 PM
@Brian Lough I liked the twitch stream, did you stop?

Kris Winer12:49 PM
@Josh Lloyd Once a minute is fine, please let me know your progress on this...

Brian Lough12:49 PM
I really enjoyed doing the live streams, I would like to do more. But it came down to a time prioritization thing. When tindie started taking off I really struggled to juggle everything (I was struggling up to that point too)

Dan Maloney12:50 PM
Might be tough with a new one arriving soon, too

Josh Lloyd12:50 PM
@Kris Winer Sounds like a good target. I'll keep you updated when I've something more formalized.

Brian Lough12:50 PM
My daughter has turned into a "Daddys girl" and insists I do bedtime now, so it made Mondays stream hard to do. And I used to stream before she got up on a Saturday, but she started getting up earlier

Kris Winer12:50 PM
@Brian Lough Do you assemble your own products or have the fab do this? I've found that Chinese fabs have costs just above the BOM cost that include assembly and testing. Pretty sweet...

Brian Lough12:51 PM
I did my first livestream of 2019 last Friday on playing around with the Attiny841, It was great to do it again

Daren Schwenke12:51 PM
@Brian Lough Glad you have your priorities straight. :)

Josh Lloyd12:51 PM
@Kris Winer Who is assembling so cheap?

Brian Lough12:51 PM
So I'll probably stream every now and again when it suits, but as @Dan Maloney says, those opportunities might be limited!

Dan Maloney12:51 PM
Ha - I used to leave for work at 4:00AM to avoid getting snagged by my toddler daughter for "sunrise playtime"

Kris Winer12:51 PM
I use Schotry International in Beijing.

Brian Lough12:52 PM
I do the main assembling @Kris Winer , but most products I'm trying to offer as kits more than assembled

Brian Lough12:52 PM
For the power BloughR I do the soldering and my wife does the heat shrink and testing

Kris Winer12:52 PM
Do the kits work, I mean most of my customers seem to be pretty much plug and play types...

Brian Lough12:53 PM
She also helps with the tindie fulfilment, which is a huge help

Dan Maloney12:53 PM
A cottage industry...

Josh Lloyd12:53 PM
@Kris Winer Was that schotry.com ?

Kris Winer12:53 PM
Yes.

Josh Lloyd12:53 PM
@Brian Lough Sounds like a cute business you've got going there!

Josh Lloyd12:54 PM
I reckon my wife would be interested in having more to do with her time, perhaps its Tindie time.

Brian Lough12:54 PM
I try to make the kits I sell be easy to assemble. I'm sure I would sell more if I offered them as assembled too, but it comes back to time is a precious asset thing.

Brian Lough12:54 PM
If it takes me 30 mins to assemble a board, the amount of money I would have to charge to make that worth my while is just not what anyone would be willing to spend!

Brian Lough12:55 PM
I'm not exactly super well off or anything, but I get by with my day job

Brian Lough12:55 PM
So I would prefer to have more free time than a small amount of extra money (if that makes sense)

Kris Winer12:55 PM
I have paid my daughter to tests boards for, she claims to enjoy the work!

Brian Lough12:56 PM
Thanks @Josh Lloyd

Dan Maloney12:56 PM
It's nice to have more than one source of income, though, even if one is modest.

Brian Lough12:56 PM
Whats nice about my wife helping out with the Power BloughR is its something we can do together. Even if its not a fun activity, its better both of us doing it together for 4 hours than me being locked away for 8 houts

Josh Lloyd12:57 PM
I always assumed that something like Tindie was mostly for the enjoyment and not for the profit. The profit was like pocket money in comparison

Josh Lloyd12:57 PM
@Brian Lough I agree. Better to be working on something and bonding, than being shut away

Brian Lough12:57 PM
tindie covers most of the spending on electronics at the moment

Josh Lloyd12:58 PM
So its not a profit financially nor time-wise ?

Josh Lloyd12:58 PM
But it is something you enjoy ?

Brian Lough12:58 PM
I dont spend a huge amount on them anyways, but its really nice to be able to order boards without having to worry about it coming from the general house hold budget

Brian Lough12:58 PM
I've made some money from Tindie and the whole sale of goods

Brian Lough12:59 PM
more than I've ever made from Youtube for example!

Brian Lough12:59 PM
I mainly like it @Josh Lloyd , but I bought my wife's Phone for Christmas using tindie money

Dan Maloney12:59 PM
I don't think YouTube is a viable option for income for almost anyone now.

Brian Lough12:59 PM
so it was nice to get something tangible from it too

Josh Lloyd1:00 PM
YouTube has been suffocating content creators for a couple years now.

Brian Lough1:00 PM
I dont think so either @Dan Maloney

Kris Winer1:00 PM
I've found Tindie sales can lead to custom work requests, which can pay well...

Brian Lough1:00 PM
I had my best ever month on Youtube in January and it didn't even come close to Tindie money in January

Brian Lough1:00 PM
Thats interesting @Kris Winer !

Josh Lloyd1:00 PM
@Brian Lough Do you've any projects in mind that you've dreamed about but haven't considered making yet? Be it too difficult or whatever reason? Why have you not started, and what are they?

Brian Lough1:01 PM
I've had some offers locally but I just didnt have the time

Brian Lough1:01 PM
For sale or just to make?

Josh Lloyd1:01 PM
@Kris Winer The assembly you sourced from Schotry, was it surface mount parts? Are they able to fab small components?

Brian Lough1:01 PM

https://trello.com/b/wc1TQEK4/brian-lough-projects-videos

TRELLO

Trello

Organize anything, together. Trello is a collaboration tool that organizes your projects into boards. In one glance, know what's being worked on, who's working on what, and where something is in a process.

Read this on Trello

Jakob Wulfkind1:01 PM
not sure custom design work is worth the bother, I still get nightmares about an email that says "I know you said not to touch the design but the fab house says we could save money if..."

Josh Lloyd1:01 PM
@Brian Lough Either. Since it sounds like you mostly make things for your interest and then sometimes sell them.

Brian Lough1:02 PM
Here are some of my back log ideas

Brian Lough1:02 PM
I think ideas are cheap :)

Kris Winer1:02 PM
The do WLCSP, 4-layer boards, both sides, etc. Anything you can have made at OSH Park they can too and assemble and test.

Josh Lloyd1:02 PM
@Jakob Wulfkind Please don't swear like that :P

Brian Lough1:02 PM

https://trello.com/b/wc1TQEK4/brian-lough-projects-videos

TRELLO

Trello

Organize anything, together. Trello is a collaboration tool that organizes your projects into boards. In one glance, know what's being worked on, who's working on what, and where something is in a process.

Read this on Trello

Dan Maloney1:03 PM
So we're coming up on an hour, which is the "official" end of the chat. Don't let that stop everyone from continuing the chat, though, as long as Brian wants to hang on.

Brian Lough1:03 PM
Did this get deleted or did I forget to post, apologies if its against any rules!

Brian Lough1:03 PM
I can stay for another bit anyways

Josh Lloyd1:03 PM
I see it twice, I think the conversation here is just moving fast.

Brian Lough1:03 PM
But bed time is soon :)

Dan Maloney1:04 PM
I want to thank Brian for his time, and the great chat - lots of good stuff about Tindie!

Brian Lough1:04 PM
haha, maybe bed time for me is needed too!

Brian Lough1:04 PM
Thanks @Dan Maloney

Josh Lloyd1:04 PM
Firstly, in case I don't catch you at the end, thanks for coming to the chat @Brian Lough it has been enjoyable and informative

Daren Schwenke1:04 PM
Thank you @Brian Lough

Brian Lough1:04 PM
Your welcome @Josh Lloyd

SeonR1:04 PM
Thanks @Brian Lough & @Dan Maloney !

Kris Winer1:04 PM
I would just like to recommend the ESP32 PICO D4 as worthy of your attention...easy to design with.

Dan Maloney1:04 PM
And just a plug for next week's chat - Greg Zumwalt will be here to discuss his cool 3D-printed automata

Josh Lloyd1:04 PM
and Lastly, that Trello board looks exciting. I'll have to sub on Youtube

Kris Winer1:04 PM
Thanks Brian!

Dan Maloney1:05 PM
And if anyone has a desire to host a Hack Chat, please ping me. We're booking chats into April now.

Josh Lloyd1:05 PM
Have watching @SeonR suffer through getting PSRAM to work and reading through a 13 page thread on the Espressif forums. I am ready to dive in and do the same with a PICO D4.

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