Deviant Ollam12:26 PM
when i say "any one" i mean any super clear one
silly question, do you ever use a stethoscope ?
@anfractuosity something similar! i use an audio pickup amp at times
ooh, cool i wasn't sure if they where really used
i saw some safe locks which claim to be resistant against x-ray which sounds interesting i thought
think of it as a stethoscope but it mag-mounts to the safe door. and it's not like a little cup on the end... it has a metal probe that hears vibrations within the safe. (and you're mostly hearing contact points where the nose interacts with the drive cam, as opposed to hearing the "wheels" as it were)
I'd buy safe cracking 101 if I could. I have a couple of tell coin safes I'd like to open and put to use.
neat @Deviant Ollam :)
Do you have any tools that caused a "where has this been all my life?" moment. (For me, the recent answers are Knipex cutters and step drills.)
@anfractuosity Grade 1R safes, yes. "resistant to Radiographic attack" ... often Delrin plastic wheels. they have other vulnerabilities
Safe against x-rays could just mean they're lead lined.
@Douglas Henke the A-1 pak-a-punch and the new Lishi 2-in-1 decoder picks
@Deviant Ollam heh neat, could you expand on other vulnerabilities, if you can
@Tametomo shielding became a ladders-and-walls game during the cold war. new materials, like polymer wheels, were the solution
@anfractuosity you can melt the wheels... enough heat or even acid injected in the right spot, and the wheels just fall apart, lol
that's very cool
Aren't most modern containers electronic locks?
@Deviant Ollam Can you point me to any case studies or news articles where poor physical security practices have directly led to thefts or data breaches? I know it's implied, but sometimes its good to have independent sources to show that not focusing on this stuff has real consequences.
Get the safe too hot and the fusible link goes and triggers relockers and no one is opening that safe!
Management folks are not always the most tech savvy
@oz i would say that most modern "building security solutions" are moving to electronic. and electronic locks are making in-roads even in residential spaces, yes. but mechanical locks will still be with us for quite a while
@thomas.august most stories like that are ones that entail stolen laptops or other endpoints
To anyone who thinks they might try drilling a quality safe, watch out for tempered glass between the door and the lock. Break it and relockers trigger.
@Eric yes, it's a delicate balance, that kind of attack
The security industry isn't often what outsiders think it is. You have to deal with risk bars, which are just a way of saying "will the solution cost more than the potential problem"? So depending who does the calculations, something can either be critical to fix, or something just worth ignoring.
Do you think that electronic systems have higher a higher barrier to entry for the common criminal?
Here's a question: do electronic safes have built-in back doors, like service technician codes so they can get in no matter what the owner does?
@Deviant Ollam I was thinking of modern classified document storage containers. I thought that mechanical locks could not meet the requirements. \
Really really really old safes had explosives loaded in them. Watch out.
here's another interesting kind of auto lock with a specialized entry pick tool...
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