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Hack Chat Transcript, Part 4
08/10/2022 at 20:11 • 0 commentshaha
the problem that i'm solving with my deck (my car radio sucks) could've been easily solved with an off the shelf android auto head unit for like $250, but i've already spent more than that on parts for my own solution (not to mention the countless hours learning and buidling). building your own is way more interesing, educational, and the final product will be way cooler and way more "me" than anything you could buy
@Tom Nardi my deck has a one of dis 7,9 inch screens and as much as i like look of it, i found it impractical for me
Ah, yeah I could see the small screen being an issue long-term
@Glinek my Problem ist the Pi3 is too dam slow
impractical is my middle name
@Will Sebelik I'll see if I can find a photo of my old ahdroid tablet head-unit...
and keyboard is not really well made, also it uses 3b+ and for me it is kinda slow. Thats why i am making another based on pi 400
See, the problem with cyberdecking in general is that we've kind of already converged on a couple "perfect" form factors for computers
@cyzoonic that is true
the laptop, and the smartphone.
I am waiting to get Pi4, some day, when they are in stock...
for me decks are more like testing my skills
agree to a point. phones were better when there was a tactile keyboard
Me too
it is fun to learn anyway.
building a deck is a great learning experience I made a bot last week so I can filter rpilocator for my location and get a notification as soon as available.
@cyzoonic i was thinking on pi 4 but pi 400 was way cheaper in my country
@cyzoonic that's a great idea
i've learned so much about hardware design from making my deck
@H3lixFossil sure. But if you learn to swipe, or learn to use voice-to-text, then having a flat glass keyboard is superior.
there are RPI alternative we can try. D1 chip is cool .
It's been fun meatbag and cyber life forms. Until next time, stay weird.
I 100% agree with the learning experience, I've learning so much going from my first deck to the joopyter
@bootdsc see you on the discord
@io Tenino But only for using computer software. What if you go to some highly specific use case. Like setting up some data recording for your sports club for example, then it could be easier to find some quality of live improvements
Cya boot! Thanks
@Will Sebelik https://imgur.com/a/JkEhBej
I think that trying to find unique use cases for cyberdecks can be really important, how can we make this a tool that makes our lives better rather than a fancy computerized prop.
@bootdsc and everyone who participated!
ThanksThe old nexus 7 tablets, you could pull out the battery and hard wire power to the bms board, and then usb audio and stuff.
not that there's anything wrong with fancy computerized props
later you high tech lowlifes. gonna take care of my hounds
*waves*
ciao!
@Dan (a8ksh4) that's sick! what is that port in the back? does it talk to your car's CAN?
bye
*also waves*
bye, thanks for the inspirational chat!
That was for the clock and emergency flasher you can see on the front. Factory stuff.
oh ok, i see. thanks!
I've gotta head to work, see you guys, thanks for great chat!
OK, that was a lively discussion. the transcript is going to be a real chore to pull for this one, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I just want to wrap things up with a big THANKS! to everyone for a great chat with a lot of inspiration and practical tips for everyone's next cyberdeck build. And thanks to those who shared their work -- always appreciated. Great job, everyone!
@io Tenino! Thanks for stopping by!
ByeThank you all
cheers
Thx all!
https://hackaday.io/contest/186672-2022-cyberdeck-contest
Make sure to turn that inspiration into entries for the cyberdeck contest:This was really fun, thanks for the inspiration
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Hack Chat Transcript, Part 3
08/10/2022 at 20:09 • 0 comments@Hugh Mungis A cyberdeck device that drills he connectors back in :D.
@io Tenino You can use a buck boost converter in front of a charger and as long as it supplies enough current, it'll give some flexibility.
I am thinking I might need to have some kind of battery backup system for mine. since it's going in my car i can power it off the 12v from the car battery 99% of the time, but i'm pretty sure my car cuts all power to everything but the starter when i turn the car on. For my work I end up turning my car on and off frequently, so i'm wondering how to keep a reliable power supply for those moments? i would like to avoid shutting down every time i turn my car back on.
Whats everyones favorite form factor for computing devices? For me its the netbook.
@io Tenino USB-C triggers are pretty sweet
Yeah!
@Hugh Mungis conecerning silicone: Well for instance adding soft robotic components like grippers to mount your divice to something. Or using air pressure as an input method.
https://www.instructables.com/Soft-Robotic-Gripper/
Soft Robotic Gripper
Soft Robotic Gripper : The field of soft robotics (robots made from intrinsically soft materials such as silicons and rubbers) has been growing rapidly in recent years. Soft robots can be advantageous in comparison to their hard counterparts because they are flexible, ada...
there's u/dungeon_master_dan 's HMD
@Inne Was looking into making silicon buttons for a movie prop i'm working on, but its quite complicated.
but he has a power bank and the pi AND infrared lamps on it
i think he had it set up so there would be a HUD as he walked around
what does he use it for?
but there was a significant enough delay that he said he wouldn't go running with it
I don't think he had a use case in mind when he made it (like many of us)
Except from peli cases are there any other (cheaper) brands that are suitable? Which ones are you guys using?
he just wanted to make some cool cyberpunk shit that gave him a HUD irl
that's a very valid reason!
harbor freight sells some similar cases
@nick_meynen literal pizza boxes
jk. depends on what you want to do with it
harbor freight <3
@cyzoonic are the keycaps silicone or is the goal for the whole switch mechanism to be silicone based. Either sounds cool what where your challenges??
I have a friend that got a used pelican case from the DA's office in my town. Worked pretty well for his deck
peli cases are awesome for ruggedization, but i think it's rare that an individual will actually abuse a deck enough to necessitate that level of protection
great for prepper kits though
Getting them new is pretty expensive I believe, but reusing something is in the cyberdeck spirit, ya know
truth
@Inne I am not quite sure as I don't know how it was done on the prop. As of right now I have surface mount buttons so the silicone would just push that down
i got a few on facebook marketplace for super cheap
@Inne My challange is I have no idea where to start. I have never done silicon casting. I also have to find the right silicon (in Europe) and somehow add lettering as well.
I think there's a lot to be said for finding old laptop shells on the internet and gutting them and replacing the innards with your own ideas
assuming that waterproofing isn't on your "requirements" list
Yeah... some of the retro stuff would be cool to tear up if it's already sufficiently broken...
scuba deck?
Honestly, I'm real interested in the eco/solarpunk side of cyberdecking more than the cyberpunk side. I think the idea of taking a bunch of different components and reusing them to make a functional, personal computer is really beautiful.
@cyzoonic 3D print the top mold. Put a decal of the lettering. Pour in the silicone (Smooth-On is a great place to start). Smoosh in the board on top.
@Dan (a8ksh4) Plenty of weird old VTech kid computers that are ripe for repurposing
Taking old pelican cases, destroyed laptops, old screens, and knowing how to bash them together into something that works for you is really great.
Cheap, and nobody is going to miss them.
that's my biggest point of anxiety honestly. I have a beautiful AST NB-SX25 laptop/brick, but i feel like i'm throwing out a piece of history if i throw away the guts
it's thick enough to have a diskette drive
And having the experience and knowledge to fix your own custom electronics is amazing
@Nicolas Tremblay thanks, I will look into it
How you guys mount the assembled electronics inside a peli (or other) case whithout screwing inside the case?
gorilla glue
non foaming
epoxy works
@nick_meynen See my deck, Pelican also sells an official mounting bracket for the inside. I made my own using a 3d printer
@Hugh Mungis I have a similar 486 and I agree. It's better intact as a linux play thing. :)
you can mount fasteners with epoxy and then screw into those fasteners
I would like definitely to find a broken PowerPC-era metal MacBook to build inside of, I think that would be a great build.
That's definitely a lot of the reason why i'm building a deck, i want to teach myself how to make cool stuff from cheap/scrap parts
oopr, wrong tag on that last one.
I think one thing that almost all deckers have in common is a hoard of extra components that will get used "eventually"
Oh yes lmaooo
@cyzoonic Looks nice, great idea. I was thinking to design some kind of spring clamps for easy removal of the electronics
Haha, yep
the number of laptop motherboards I have sitting in a box is frankly reaching hoarder levels
@io Tenino also a gread idea
is it possible to salvage a tablet screen to use in a deck? do they have a standard interface like LVDS/eDP?
just having things on hand that you can look at and can provide inspiration is really important
@nick_meynen that would be cool, You could also use thumb screws
the personality trait that drives someone to scrap something together from scavenged parts runs deep in the community Can you boot those
@nick_meynen i'm using magnets to secure my front place for easy maintenance
yup
nice, I’m having trouble with the only one I have, otherwise it would be running a home server by now.
I got an android tablet with a broken port super cheap from a thrift store, was going to repair and use as a homeassistant controller or something, but maybe it's worth more to salvage the screen
🤤
if you can find the screen’s SKU you can search online for a custom controller, but generally no they do not use a standard interface.
the carbon set of keycaps is one of the greats
ah that’s hot
with all the hazard symbols
@Will Sebelik also a great idea. Getting a lot of inspiration for my own build
@delta sometimes. e.g. someone published a pcp and kernel changes to use a nexus 7 2013 display with a pi compute module.
*pcb
@io Tenino 1000x this
it's heartbreaking to see a noob show up and ask "what's something cool I can make?"
on one hand, it's someone that wants to get their hands dirty with technical work and the act of creating something from parts.
on the other, they're just outsourcing their creativity
it's the artistic equivalent of hoping you get followers from a retweet
but i'm not gonna get on my soapbox about that
Well, give them advice on the parts that work together and it's up to them to find a neat way to put it in a box and call it a deck. lol.
i just want people to make something that will make them happy and not worry if other ppl think it's cool or not
@cyzoonic I get the inspiration from our light switches here. They have 2 clamps on the side, turning the screws extends these caws so they are fixed inside their boxes. But i'm thinking now in a way to combine this clamps with the peli holders u using.
i feel like one of the main reasons people build decks is for other people to think it's cool
I think there can be a lot of value in replicating other's work. Especially if you're trying to build your skills
i really like to see things being recycled instead of just buying all new and printing a case
@nick_meynen cool
@Dan (a8ksh4) I think that was part of the reason we made the "quick start guide" on the cafe website
Cool cool
given enough time and money i could build anything. whats the fun in that though i'm not trying to be a factory worker
1-off work makes an artist
:)
@cyzoonic how did you the hdmi part, i want the schreen in the lid and the electronics in the bottom (below the keyboard). Did you use flex or a custom cable?
building a deck is really a lot more fun when you have a limited budget of $0 and have to be creative
@nick_meynen This was a huge task, I found some HDMI cables that I could cut most the rubber off and fit through the hole that connects the lid to the base, I ran 2 of those.
Oh yeah, for sure. Somebody asked me if I would make them a Joopyter at some point. I was just curious, so I added it up, if I were to buy everything new, it would be around 200-300$
remember in the first matrix when he opens the book Simulation and Simulacra?
we had someone make a "book stash" deck before. that looked really cool
But most of these parts are stuff I found or had onhand, so it was a lot less when I built that.
@H3lixFossil that was such a cool deck!
@nick_meynen this one https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001090468470.html
I think that big problem is that it is really hard to make deck that is like usable on normal day. I found it really hard to use my deck in every day life
@Glinek That's interesting, what did you struggle with specifically?
the most usable decks are made by corps and are known by the term "laptops"
they're the boring dewey decimal system filmstrip videos of decks
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Hack Chat Transcript, Part 2
08/10/2022 at 20:06 • 0 commentsi think msg uses his daily? might be mistaken
@Hugh Mungis I literally made a cube :) https://back7.co/home/the-open-frame-mini
@back7.co I am trying to figure out how to get nice lettering on a lasercut peice of aluminum thats powder coated
I think a truly functional build for me would need a 10" display and an x86 cpu.
The smaller displays are easier to work with though.
@cyzoonic you'd probably be better off with stickers
@Dan Maloney ... working on something similar but will take forever
@Dan (a8ksh4) I put an 11.6" into my cyberdeck but I am missing a mouse, if you need that :)
@back7.co that's a cube with lattice work and you can actually see some PCB and cables though, which is cool. That definitely still has points in the "form" category
I've wanted to do one like that but with style like a sun microsystems pizza box.
lol
I've seen quite a few cyberdecks built for SDR, any other purpose-built machines? like maybe a groovebox with custom MIDI built in alongside/in place of a keyboard
External mouse is okay. :) There's new stuff with trackpads starting to pop up in the custom keyboards this year.
didn't we have a user submit an actual cardboard pizza box?
@Michael Limiero I feel like most functional cyberdecks get used intermittently based on their functionality. I use the Joopyter for typing out grocery lists
which isn't everyday, but it can be useful
I have some surprises planned but it will take me most of the fall and winter to do. I think there are yet more surprises to be had in deck design
yes there was an actual pizza box deck
@io Tenino gian is that you?
i think it was a pizzahut large
I imagine I will use the deck i'm building every day. It's going to replace my car radio to play music on my car speakers
The little keyer I'm doing is hopefully going to be a dream logger for late night typing and a general purpose calculator.
@io Tenino - that's the one I forgot! Sorry about that, welcome!
@H3lixFossil yes! I use the name io now
I'm still holding out for someone to make the literal toaster computer to play League of Legends on
nice
So not generally useful, but fits a purpose.
haha, that's alright, hi!
I've gone down the mechanical keyboard rabbit hole far enough that I think it would be cool to have a portable built around a nice ergo keyboard. choc switches + a cirque trackpad with like a 40% layout would be neat
or perhaps a small trackball instead of the touchpad
@Hugh Mungis My brother had his computer in a toaster... and I in a mailbox ... early 2000 xD
I am on a break from keyboards, we are not currently talking :D
there was a video a while ago of this japanese "band" that was using CRT monitors and a bunch of other very hacky "instruments" to make music. reminds me of the guitar-shaped deck that someone made
I have seen the occasional cyberdeck pass my feed, but am still a bit unfamiliar with the concept. Is it a portable way (device) to interface with the cyber?? Could the builders describe what the concept is to them, what is something you frequently base your project around (either
component or concept.)
music counts as a function right?
it seems like the mechanical keyboard circle and cyberdeck circle overlap quite a bit
@Inne it's really a pretty open concept
absolutely Is that a nerf turret,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0VYsiMtrNE
YOUTUBE ELECTRONICOS FANTASTICOS!
that's the one
came to cyberdecks via mechanical keyboards...
ooh nice sentry
my deck was planed as a keyboard initially
@io Tenino that is sick!
Distraction-free deck shoots interlopers
@mike in kent I did something similar with a nerf fun, facial recognition, and CV, but decided not to publish it
AI is fun to play with
hehe midjourney?
you bet
... it just dose not get keyboards right
actually that one was craiyon
the ultimate no-keycap typing experience
Nice one
What's everyone doing for power supplies in their decks? Any good 12v solutions?
mmh, very cool.
I'm messing with depthai, it only shoots if you are more than 2-meters away for safety and within 10 meters for accuracy. Also, since it uses a neural net that searches for people, it only shoots my kids and ignores the dog.
Midjourney suggestion
I just use a regular old USB power bank.
@Inne That's the big question. In the literary sense they are suppose to be a way to "jack in" to cyberspace, but given our current tech, they end up mainly being just highly personalized computers.
@Dan (a8ksh4) I have a 3S2 Battery BMS for 18650 getting 12v out.
It's set up so it has a hole to slide in with two male USB headers that line up with the ports on the battery bank
What do you charge it with? External charger or have yuo found a bms tha that handles it?
gives a satisfying power-cell vibe
Yea power is also still my main issue, is ther a good way to power a Pi4 deck? Through charging and just unplugging and go like a laptop?
@Dan (a8ksh4) In my case the charger is in the deck and I connect high voltage (220v) to the deck
depends on your mindset. i've seen plenty of gamers who get so focused they enter the matrix
For me, my deck has ~50hr battery life, so I don't mind just poping it out once a week and plugging it in for a couple of hours.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000648416374.html
Here is what I used:I'm starting to play with the idea of having a deck that doesn't need a battery. When you think about it, most people need to take their laptop chargers with them anyway to starbucks or the library. Might as well save the space, weight, and money
Cool. Someone on the discord found a possible integrated usb charger for 3 and 4s packs, but I don't think it's been tested yet.
flying fpv quads you absolutely detach from your body and are inside the quad. vr can have the same effect
@Dan (a8ksh4) that would be cool, I tried USB charging but it was too finiky getting the 12V
how do you safely shut down a sd card SBC? I worry about damaging my sd cards by constantly just unplugging them instead of doing a proper shutdown
i brought a deck with my on a trip. compute stick, vufine display and a app for mouse/keyboard
everything fits in my pockets
@cyzoonic thanks for the link. I'll check it out.
@Will Sebelik sudo shutdown
you can typically just send some sort of shutdown command if you're running an OS
@Will Sebelik I just shutdown in Linux and then pull the plug
systemctl poweroff
there are tutorials for making a button that does that for the rpi at least
@Jame5 was that the pine64 logo? what board are you usingt/
This is such a cool thread. Ergogen folks pointed this out to me. Hopefully I can make something up next year
@bootdsc I'm looking forwad to flying at some point with a pocket deck, keyboard, and an avegant.
i use some really jagged pliers and yank the sd card and hope that i'm fast enough that there won't be much magic smoke that escapes
yeah i use a button on gpio for shutdown makes life easy
@Tom Nardi The "jack in" concept has been on my mind for the passed week, Just returned from BornHack Denmark. Turns out it is a bit more sophisticated than soldering a UTP connector to the pins of Badge :D. This contest might give that Idea a second wind. It would be fun to connect random UTP cables to things.
to bad everyone spends so much time jacking off. theres far more productive ways to use the internet
u/dungeon_master_dan made probably the sickest HMD i've ever seen but he hasn't been active in the cafe in a while. maybe years?
@back7.co Ooh. Would love to see your sentry. Sure it's awesome. As always, I'm really struggling with the power requirements ... this time it's the servos, the gun, the Pi, and the screen. I've got 2 18650's powering the Pi via an x708, 4 NiHm AAs powering the servos, and a bank of 8 Nimh AAs powering the gun. Wish I could figure out how to do it all with 18650s.
haven't built one since the ammo box thing I built out of an old arm720t eval board a looong time ago. that one took 6-24V fed passive PoE style into a watertight rj45
that's cool
i will say that modern laptops are losing a lot of points for removing ethernet ports
and ports in general for that matter
Is anyone interested in building something with silicone (or has already done so)??
but if I were to make one now I'd use 18V cordless drill batteries and an efficient buck converter - rugged, modular, and less likely to burn my house down
Oh yeah. and plain hdmi connectors are nice to have too.
@Hugh Mungis exactly, they should give me an SFP+ these days.
@deltawhy It’s a pinephone, arduino pro micro and a bunch of resin
Having some kind of power supply that can take a ton of different voltages efficiently is the dream, that's a real feature right there.
@Inne what do you mean by that? sticking a computer in silicone would add a lot of heat dissipation issues
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Hack Chat Transcript, Part 1
08/10/2022 at 20:04 • 0 commentsA cyberdeck already exists for the billions it's called a laptop
a laptop lacks expression
All my work is open source.
Some of my work is open source, :D
having finally built my own cyberdeck I can say there's far more too it. It's a chance to be truly artistic and creative and push the limits of what's available. My cyberdeck can be worn on your head.
I tend to think of them as part art project, part movie prop, part productivity device, and part expression (as how you share or present it). Different people and different projects have different ratios of those things
It's also a lot about the process of building it. Once done, it's not as exciting IMO. lol you're mostly right
once you're done, it's time to start thinking about the next one :D
It's not easy to capture the utility of the average laptop in a cyberdeck. :)
I think I'm more attracted to the functionality of cyberdecks. I love the idea of a complete kit of sensors and real-world interfaces (RTL-SDR, etc.) built into the device. Laptops are boring by comparison
🐸 it is wednesday my dudes
@jordanbrandes of course there is also feature creep :)
I wanna use them to push the boundaries of the user experience
Hey Hugh
I know that avatar
@cyzoonic we have a saying about feature creep in the cyberdeck discord lol
heya back7
o7
@Hugh Mungis I havent heard it yet, I guess I need to spend more time in the cyberdeck discord
The name may change, but the Pokemon is eternal.
hehe exactly
I think you will find that even amongst the speakers today, we bristle at a single definition of what a cyberdeck is, and have very different approaches
```I must not add features.
feature creep is the project-killer.
feature creep is the project-death that brings total deck abandonment.
I will face my original plans.
I will permit them to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past, I will turn decker's eye to see its path.
Where the unnecessary features have gone there will be nothing. Only a completed project will remain.```
how long did it take you guys to build your decks? What gave you inspiration?
@Dan Maloney my first deck build was for a packet radio setup. turned out it was more fun making the deck than playing with the radio though.
Usually takes a couple months if I don't run into issues I can't work around.
1st deck probably took me a month between ordering parts and actually cutting plastic/soldering
but it was mega jank
the first one was a side project over 2 years I think xD
@jordanbrandes a good timeline of my projects is here: https://back7.co/home
feature creep is the mind killer
@jordanbrandes It took me about a half a year, just lots of trying out things, waiting for parts, ordering PCBs etc. Main inspiration for me was another deck I saw inside a Pelican case.
Last change I made to my printer was a .8mm nozzel and high flow end so I could pump out big parts (deck shell) in a few hours instead of overnight.
sup boot
@bootdsc i know your work :) you do great stuff
thanks
My first one is still here, but is a mess of wires inside and took a few months. No 3D printing at all, and was back in 2015
I wasted a lot of time because I didn't plan ahead as I didn't really know what I was going to put in it or how it will look like exactly.
my first one is made of proprietary stuff im finding a way to make it more open source and mine. It works great but kind of Frankensteined togetehr
OK everyone, let's kick it off. Welcome to the Hack Chat, I'm Dan and I'll be the mod today along with Dusan as we put our heads together and think about ways to make cyberdecks awesome(r). We invited a bunch of cyberdeck builders, I'll list the ones I can remember -- sorry if I miss anyone:
@back7.co , @Dan (a8ksh4) , @cyzoonic , @bootdsc
It was about 4 years later when I wanted to re-do it and created the Back 7 Recovery Kit
nice
@jordanbrandes I was going to say, don't be shy, let's see the pics.
I always like to see head-mounted projects. Wearables are next-level tough
Its ok Helix, i didn't forget about you
lol thx
Oh yes, everyone should feel free to show off their builds
https://hackaday.com/2021/01/04/low-cost-head-mounted-display-from-fpv-gear/
I remember writing that one up for the site, actually:The JankYard Express
It's gone through some changes since that last pic. The user funcationality is still a big problem. Can't type when you're blind. I just converted it to a retropie for now and that works great.
Use the buttons below the text window to post an image. You can add a YT video too by just pasting the URL into a blank window thanks for the love
everything starts somewhere....hopped in here for inspiration for the next
@jordanbrandes i see you built a HMD with box goggles. i've done the same using the fatshark transformer
nice!
I think this is my favorite, while admittedly the least functional.
I'm working on 3D printing my own goggles but that's a work in progress
This one was fun to make.
I love these!
you all are my people :)
My big question: how do you maintain watertightness on Pelican and Pelican-like case builds when you have to drill holes for connectors, standoff, etc.? Or do you even bother?
@jordanbrandes sourced a 5.5" 1080 OLED off aliexpress for about $80 plus the $19 box goggle and a whole lot of time plus 3d prints but totally worth it.
@Dan (a8ksh4) , cool, was that eink for the display?
@Dan Maloney I no longer modify my Pelican cases
In my cause I used water tight connectors and silcone around them. I havent tested it however.
@bootdsc i found 5 in way too small to read, had to go to 7 in
They make water tight 3-20+ pin connectors that can thread into the side of a case.
Everything drops inside. It also lets me re-use them on new projects
i love that one
I like that one
same, such a great concept
That was a 4.3in waveshare eink
water tight is one thing when at atmospheric pressure but once an item is submerged things change
those keys are so cool
thx guys
Me too, seeing that posted helped me start to design my own
very cool modular setup!
Three-Piece Cyberdeck Plays The Role Of Military Computer That Never Was
While we're not at all sick of the cyberdeck movement yet, we do have to admit that some of the builds we see are starting to fall into categories that are beginning to seem a little familiar. The clamshell aesthetic comes to mind, but really, with spaces for a display and a keyboard, the form factor is pretty much a natural for cyberdecking.
the olive drab and the clamps on the split config keyb really give off that 80s military vibe
I am starting to play around with more laser cut metal
I've always thought the Pelican builds had a military look about them, more so than cyberpunk, if I'm honest. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
To me it's function over form
@Tom Nardi yes, I think they go more into that direction than the cyperpunkt style
I'd love to make (and someday will) a slick, glossy one, but not yet
one of my fav portables
Boot, I love your different form factors... I am a fan
yea none is like the other
so does anyone use a cyberdeck as a daily driver?
That's prettu clean. bt keyboard?
here's my favorite pic of my more recent builds- real carbon fiber:
I'm split on the function vs form debate. Of course I still want it to be functional, but if it comes at the cost of looking like a grey cube... nah not for me
@Michael Limiero not as a daily but I in fact take mine to the maker/hacker space as my computer
Random thought -- I'd love to find an old GRiD laptop and build a cyberdeck out of it