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Test Results Using SMA to BNC pigtail

A project log for A 10X 100MHz Differential Probe

A DIY oscilloscope probe to dig small differential signals embedded in high common mode voltages.

Bud BennettBud Bennett 02/25/2020 at 16:225 Comments

My SMA connectors that I ordered from AliExpress have not arrived, so I ordered two SMA connectors from Digikey for $3.44 each, along with the resistors to correct the gain error in the first gain stage. I am using a 20 inch long SMA to BNC pigtail to connect the probe to the scope input. The power is provided by an old wall adapter that I modified some time ago to output 5.25VDC. The extra 0.25V allows the differential inputs to swing past ±25V before the amplifiers saturate.

Here's a few waveforms showing performance at lower frequencies:

Channel #1 is the diff probe and channel #2 is the 10X scope probe. Both are connected to the scope's 3V calibration signal.

This is a 25V 1kHz square wave. Same channel inputs as above.

A zoom in on the rising edge of the 25V square wave. The diff probe captures the same waveform features as the 10X scope probe.

Faster Rise/Fall times:

I don't have a laboratory grade signal source to test the probe, so again I'm using a switching step-down converter to obtain ~10ns transition times.

This is what the 10X scope probe produces on channel 2 when connected to the inductor.

The above is what the diff probe thinks the inductor waveform looks like.

This is the falling edge measured with the 10X scope probe.

The falling edge measured by the diff probe.

The rising edge measured by the 10X scope probe. This edge is faster -- about 10ns -- there is ringing from the probe.

The rising edge measured by the diff probe.

I can't say for sure which probe is telling the truth about the waveforms. My equipment is not up to the task of properly evaluating the performance of the differential probe. But it is good enough for my purposes at this time.

Discussions

Bharbour wrote 02/27/2020 at 00:02 point

What is the BOM cost approximately?

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Bud Bennett wrote 02/27/2020 at 01:31 point

$41 just for the populated board. Another $3-10 for the coax pigtail, depending upon the source. Another $8-12 for the wall adapter, if you don't have it. Figure it to be about $50 for a normal tech weenie.

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Bharbour wrote 02/26/2020 at 15:37 point

You might talk to @Ted Yap , he has been building some wicked fast stuff for testing his scope (I think).

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Ted Yapo wrote 02/26/2020 at 20:56 point

moderately fast edges are pretty easy these days. A 74AC04 gate has a 10%-90% transition time under 1 ns. I measured around 660 ps. A 74LVC1G04 is a little faster, typically under 500 ps, which is comparable to the numbers I have seen for the classic avalanche pulse generator popularized by Jim Williams.

Abandoning CMOS, you can get an ADCMP607 CML-output comparator to do 160 ps typical, according to the datasheet -- I measured 120 ps. And, if you're willing to work a little harder, you can get 10-90% edges down to around 40 ps or so with off-the-shelf components, although *everything* matters at those speeds.


see:

https://hackaday.io/project/162998-the-rise-and-fall-of-pulses

https://hackaday.io/project/167292-8-ghz-sampling-oscilloscope

and

https://hackaday.io/project/28833-microhacks/log/157535-just-how-fast-are-74auc-gates

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Bud Bennett wrote 02/26/2020 at 20:57 point

Better than that...Paul Versteeg says he's going to build one and test it. He's got a 300MHz scope, 1ns rise/fall source, and a VNA. It just might take awhile. I only need edge rates ~3ns.

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