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Reviving a Shoptask 1720 XMTC Gold 3-in-1

This thought project is notes on reviving my 1998 Shoptask 1720 XMTC Gold late-mill-drill

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I've owned this machine from new and used it intermittently and never brought it to its full potential as a CNC machine, or done much proper maintenance. I still need/want a machining platform and I still don't have room for proper separate mill and lathe, but I have 22 years of accumulated thoughts for improvement.

Individual improvements that I actually execute on can go in other sub-projects. I'm using this one to list all the ideas and to-dos.

The 3-in-1 lathe/mill/drill form factor is necessarily a compromise. You can't just set up a job on the mill, switch to the lathe and back again like you can on separate machines. Depending on how it is implemented you also run into space issues and rigidity problems. Also these machines are aimed primarily at the hobbyist on a budget and made in China, so quality is variable.

The Shoptask 1720 XMTC Gold (1998) differed from its competitors at the time in that is was aimed towards CNC  while retaining the major features of manual use. Shoptask are still around at shopmasterusa.com (now seems to be chicagolathe.com) and they are still making the descendant of my machine - the Mill Turn 2019. This is now a dedicated CNC system without the manual controls. My machine came with the mountings for CNC components, the first design iteration, with the CNC components themselves as optional add-ons - which at the time were beyond my budget. So what I ended up with was a manual machine with a design compromised to aid CNC use - without the CNC. Also with some other quirks related to Shoptask's forward thinking.

Rolling forward to 2020 - at least two of the competitors to Shoptask are still selling roughly equivalent machines - without the CNC options or compromises. These are the Smithy Midas and the Grizzly G9729 . (note that the current Grizzly G4015Z appears from the pictures to be exactly the same as the earlier Shoptask 17-20 BB 1985 – 1988.) There are some minor design differences between these machines, but the overall layout is the same:

  • Separate 3/4 HP s-phase motors for lathe and mill
  • Mill quill suspended over lathe bed via long unsupported beam
  • Lathe spindle high over ways
  • no gearbox - swap gears to change lead screw feed for threading
  • pulley belt changes to change spindle speeds
  • no mill knee - mill quill only. Shoptask only has 3-1/8" travel (Smithy has 3-5/8" and the head raises "40%", Grizzly has 4-5/16")
  • fine and gross feeds for mill (gross = drill)
  • mill table acts as cross-slide

Smithy also have a beefier machine - the Granite - with 2HP variable DC motor and a quick change gearbox and a 4-7/8" quill travel (and the whole head can be raised another "30%"). If I were not fixated on having CNC and manual use on my machine, I'd probably upgrade to one of those, rather than fixing up my Shoptask.

The Shoptask differs in two major ways from these other 3-in-1 designs

  • The traditional half-nut and threading dial are not there. The lead screw nut is solid bronze. This makes manual threading a challenge but is a logical step for CNC.
  • This also means there is no fast feed handle on the apron, as those need a disengaged half-nut.
  • There is no compound and top slide. Because that would be handled by CNC? Instead the whole table/cross-slide rotates. A bit. Not a lot - its too big. Which means every time you rotate it you have to indicate it square again.

Things to do - General

  • Install 3-axis DRO. Its 2020 for chrissakes. MOSTLY DONE. X-Y-Z done! See logs.
  • Make a splash guard and drip tray. I have been using a modified plastic storage bin for a tray that was almost the right size but it has seen better days - and it's a pain to access to fish out dropped things. I have no splash guard - the motor ends up buried in chips and a lot of chips end up on the floor. Done - https://hackaday.io/project/173386-shoptask-1720-xmtc-stand-upgrades
  • Coolant feed/cycle
  • chuck key holders.
  • Bolt up the cross-slide dead-square and never rotate it again. DONE
  • Tool box under the table - DONE https://hackaday.io/project/173386-shoptask-1720-xmtc-stand-upgrades
  • retractable wheels - DONE no wheels, use dollies as needed
  • floor bolts.

Things to do - Lathe

  • deferred maintenance. 
    • Gearbox oil change - overdue. 
    • Spindle bearings - open and inspect and grease. If not both OK and Name Brand, replace with new Timken. These are car wheel bearings so not outrageously priced. I've never had these out -regreasing is supposed...
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  • Lessons Learned and Tooling Updates

    Alastair Young12/03/2020 at 05:03 0 comments

    In order to build the steam engine I acquired a bunch of tooling.

    • a few small tap and die sets. For each size I purchased taper, plug and bottom taps, two drills and the matching die.
    • a teeny drill chuck with a knurled handwheel for hand feeding little drills. This has a half inch shank. Random amazon seller.
    • 3" x 3" x 3" angle plate from littlemachineshop.com I machined some 3/8" tapped holes in this on one side to clamp the steam engine to and also machined the sides of the ends so I could indicate against them. With the engine chassis clamped I could work on the chassis casting on its side, at 45 degrees (in the vice) or vertical (hanging off the side of the table.)
    • HFS (R) Type B V-Block & C Clamp Set (1-5/8"×1-1/4"×1-1/4") off Amazon. At least that's what I ordered. The ones I received are much bigger - 70mm x 45mm x 40mm approx. I'm not complaining. This came in handy for finishing off the eccentric.
    • Springy tap drivers, two sizes. Not great quality, but they work. Amazon again.
    • A couple of 12mm square by 200mm tool steel blanks. Amazon.
    • 1/4" right and left tools and a couple of square blanks the same size. These were for getting into the crankpin machining. I was able to space them up to get to spindle height. Littlemachineshop.
    • Right and left 1/2" lathe tools. These turned out not to work as it seems the tool height on the standard toolpost is metric so these sit 0.7mm high. Littlemachineshop.

    To build this project I had to machine at all heights in my Z-space, with a bunch of different tooling lengths. This has always been a bugbear on this machine as the MT3 extension is extends the spindle more than the spindle has travel, so there are places I just couldn't get to in the past. With the tooling I have now this is less of a problem, though it results in a mixed bag of solutions.

    • The standard MT3 3/8" mill holder covers a fairly wide range, and can get close to the table with the MT3 extension. Some extra range can be had by not using the flat when tightening up, and I have one long (1/4") cutter now as well.
    • The MT3 ER32 collet chuck is a bit longer than the mill holder and allows a lot of flexibility on tool extension. In particular long drills can be clamped on the flutes to make them as short as needed.
    • The teeny drill chuck can be held in the regular drill chuck for extra reach on small drills.
    • I have a 5/8" MT3 collet. I made 1/2" and 3/8" aluminum collets sleeves to fit in it, allowing me to hold tools or the teeny drill chuck close to the head or on the end of the MT3 extension.

    While the randomness of this is a bit annoying it is no longer blocking. I don't have to dismount the work and space it up just because I'm changing from a mill cutter to drill like I used to some of the time.

    One major annoyance was the lathe toolpost and tooling. I essentially have only one lathe tool that works - a 12mm 60 degree threading bit. It's the only one that gets to the correct spindle height on the standard turret toolpost. The Shoptask "quick change" toolpost is a bad design. While it is adjustable, it's hard to do, and quick change it is not. Worst: the tool holders are narrower than the tool post, so the toolpost gets in the way. Don't get me started on the "compound". Which is why I've ordered a Multifix 'A' toolpost from PeweTools in Deutschland. With a bit of luck it will be here by Weihnachten. That's the topic for the next sub-project.

    While using the DRO on a real project for the first time with many hours of use I find that I almost never look at the handwheels anymore - or worry about backlash much. I'm habitually locking the unmoving axes. This is removing my concern about retaining inch leadscrews which opens up the option of cheap metric ballscrews when I get to the CNC stage. Prices for these are now under $100 per axis. While CNC with DRO position for feedback should care less about backlash than a "blind" setup, backlash should still be minimized. At his point it is up to 75 thou on the Y axis as apparently...

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  • Steam Engine

    Alastair Young12/03/2020 at 04:33 0 comments

    Most of the recent machine upgrade activity has been in the stand upgrade sub-project in which I modified the stand to include under-machine tool storage and added chip catching metalwork. The machine is now out from the wall and turned around and I made myself a nice big workbench. The usability of the machine and space is radically improved by all this so I was inspired to actually build something - a PM Research model steam engine kit. This was also inspired by two YouTubers who are building the same kit. Blondihacks (a hobbyist with limited space who somewhat learns as she goes) and Joe Pieczynski (a professional machinist with years of training and experience whose professional pride just can't bear the fact that new hobbyists are relying on other hobbyists on YouTube for how to do things). I recommend both the kit and both YouTube series. In practice there is stuff to be learned from both. 

    Photos of my steam engine build.

    Drilling the oil feed holes on the bearing caps
    Drilling the mounting holes in the bearing caps

  • Z axis complete

    Alastair Young06/30/2020 at 20:31 0 comments

    This is all buttoned up with a hole in the belt cover for the bracket. I now have 6 knurled point set screws with Loctite holding the supporting ring in place. I also swapped out all the set screws in the z-axis drive with these. Repeatability is good except for when the quill itself rotates it varies about 0.005". The screw-pin that prevents the rotation has some play, so making a new one would help, and maybe a spring.

    Edit: new screw turned down from a cap-head with a nice snug top and half a turn of tension on the spring and it's 0 to 1.5 thou variance from quill rotation along the travel, and the backlash is gone.

    Also the quill return spring is needs more tension - the drive needs to push it up at the top of travel.

    The scale mounting is more rigid than it looks - there is a second screw holding it to the bracket at right angles to the visible one. The head on it is low enough to let the visible screw pass over it.


  • Z axis again

    Alastair Young06/26/2020 at 04:57 0 comments

    This is the two-part bracket I came up with for the z-head. The round part will need a hole drilled in the belt cover. There is clearance above and below for the belt. 

    Once fitted I find that the scale is now loose. It is not loose in my bracketry, it is the oil-seal ring that it attaches to is only held on with two set screws. These were mounted front and back to minimize wobble for the front mounted depth stop, so I had made new dimples for them and rotated the ring 90 degrees. A little bit of milling and they are all loose. So I am ordering new knurl-grip set screws from McMaster - this time they will be hex head not slot head and I'll install at least 4 of them. De-grease everything and use red Loctite. Maybe some Loctite on the ring itself too or some painters tape under it to make it a tighter fit.... 

    These set screws come in a pack of 50, and I'm pretty sure there are several other screws on the machine that could use upgrades - like the ones that hold the acme nuts in place.

  • Z-axis dro scale mounted

    Alastair Young05/11/2020 at 03:06 0 comments

    I decided to mount the scale to the quill, repurposing the depth stop, It seems to be quite solid. The bracket for the head will be a challenge as the cnc belt and cover are in the way.

  • X dro head mounted

    Alastair Young05/06/2020 at 05:30 0 comments

    tight fit with regular cap screws underneath. I don't have any 4mm button-heads.

  • X axis dro head bracket

    Alastair Young04/27/2020 at 04:24 0 comments

    as the scale is flush to the casting and that is canted inwards, I need an adjustable angled bracket. Still to do: slots for the screws to mount it to the carriage. This way it will have adjustment in two axes. The angle was transferred directly from the angle between the bed and the outer face of the scale.

    The Y axis DRO proved useful spacing the holes and slots fron center.

  • x-axis scale mount

    Alastair Young04/23/2020 at 06:09 0 comments

    The casting is a little curved at the back, in the vertical axis, so the brackets might be twisting the scale a little and will need shimming.

  • New Vice

    Alastair Young03/29/2020 at 19:23 0 comments

    Under $100 and free shipping. 4" Kurt knock-off. No obvious manufacturing flaws other than the hex hole in the handle needs some relief. I haven't checked squareness or flatness yet, but the rigidity improvement is vast. Small cuts done to relieve some clearance at the bottom of the DRO end brackets.

  • DRO Y axis complete

    Alastair Young03/25/2020 at 02:36 0 comments

    Rough mounting showed the scale should be spaced out 3mm from the table to match the head below, so I made end brackets that act as spacers, end caps and cover supports. 

    Parts are mounted with 5mm screws that came with the scales. The cover is attached with 3mm screws from my electronics stuff. The top ones stand slightly proud but are so near the end of the table that I doubt they will hit anything. If they do, I can find some countersink ones.

    The scales come with only one set of yellow dust covers but with slots for two so I bought 3m of the stuff on aliexpress and doubled them up. I think it is pretty well protected from flying debris. Some tape along the line between the table and the cover would be a good idea to keep out any fluids, but without a drip tray I'm not going to flood coolant any time soon.

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