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Dots from Hannio

A project log for Dot flippers

or "flip dotters" if you want. Let's just talk about flip-dot/flip-disc displays and projects using them :-)

Yann Guidon / YGDESYann Guidon / YGDES 05/15/2017 at 22:515 Comments

See the latest updates at the bottom :-)


The last log More on youtube introduced me to the tiny german webshop of https://hannio.org

I couldn't resist and bought two kinds items:

The pros:

The cons:

some of the 1×7 needed repair but that was easy.

Overall: very positive, good quality, good price/dot, I could easily repair most of the 10mm dots and the connectors of the 16×24 modules can be desoldered/replaced. And speaking German helped me again :-D

And since my last order, there is a new model : 16×28 module with controller board ! https://hannio.org/produkt/flipdot-modul-16x28/ Who wants to try it ?


Update 20170516 :

The coil resistance is measured at 19 Ohms. However some resistances have been measured as "infinite" and the thin, fragile wire was damaged during shipment. I'll have to check how many need repair and who many survive (anybody wants to help manually check 350 coils ?). The really broken ones will serve for surplus/replacement discs and will be cut in smaller lengths (because 7 is not a very convenient size to create 16 or 18-wide displays).

The resistance of 19 ohms is a bit higher than the 16.6 ohms of the other german panel I have so I expect slightly different flipping characteristics, but not far from 130mA/2V : 100mA@2V is better, indeed (but quite slow). However, higher current in needed to overcome the hysteresis of the factory-set dots : 2.5V/125mA is a good bet. It works well and fast at 3V. Direct drive is easy with a 3.3V power supply. Adding the diodes' drop (2×0.8V), the dots are suitable for matrices running with 5V.

I must still characterize the 16×24 array, which uses a single-coil structure...


June 20, 2017:

A new batch with mooooore flip dots ! I have accumulated about 1500 dots in original packaging. The shipping was a bit turbulent but less problems than before. The store owner will stuff the next packages with bubble wrap.

Another 16×24 array completes the others, so I might be able to also create a 24×32 or even 24×47 display (the last column has a missing flap).

And following my advice, the site is now available in english too ! https://hannio.org/en/

The stock of stripes is slowly running out so don't wait to get yours :-P

Discussions

DJ wrote 07/03/2017 at 18:58 point

An important facet to realize is that a particular voltage might be enough to flip a dot, but that dot will still be susceptible to interference from neighboring dots. Because of inductive coupling, flipping dot x might also flip neighboring dot y if the ferromagnetic core in dot y is not magnetized strongly enough. It'd be interesting to see a torroidal variant of the coil; that would theoretically eliminate neighboring dots from interfering with each other.

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Simon Merrett wrote 06/15/2017 at 20:54 point

I want to try the 16x28 board! Not sure I can justify it. What does it require to drive it? I can't tell from the listing.

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Yann Guidon / YGDES wrote 06/15/2017 at 21:18 point

Good question...

Apparently there is a driver board with it but mostly, flip dots are just arrays of coils that need to be powered with pulses in one or another direction.

Try it and write a log here ?

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Simon Merrett wrote 06/15/2017 at 21:45 point

I'm irresponsibly over-committed at the moment but maybe... Are there any tips/tricks for reducing the driver BOM for 2D arrays? Multiplexing the current pulses etc? Sounds like a lot of MOSFETs otherwise.

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Yann Guidon / YGDES wrote 06/15/2017 at 22:06 point

You could reverse-engineer the driver board...

Look at the previous logs of this project, where there is some analysis of the coils' wiring and the steering diodes.

You also have to determine the resistance of the coil, as welle as the voltage and current where a dot flips reliably. This varies from one type to another...

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