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Realistic Roller Coaster

An accessible interactive scale-model roller coaster

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This project aims to allow children and adults to quickly play with and prototype a scale model roller coaster or race track idea without investing many hours and days tweaking K'nex track pieces or worse, 3D modeling every last joint to be 3D printed. What is the best way for it to work? Read on as I uncover the answers!

I was first inspired for this project by viewing a demo last year by Jon Mendenhall:

Unlike every other scale model coaster out there, this one:

  • Scaled gravity correctly
  • Allowed for programmed behavior in different sections
  • Didn't require high velocity in order to overcome frictional track forces
  • Sounded nice still, and was more realistic than a typical scale coaster

However, Jon painstakingly created this track in a simulation software (and played back the recorded speeds) and also 3D modeled every last joint and curve for 3D printing. Could I actually improve on this? After a few fitful nights, some thoughts crystalized:

  • Why can't the car react to the track in real-time with an accelerometer? Would it need a gyroscope?
  • Why can't the track creation process be in the real world? More like flexible Hot Wheels track but in mid-air? Can I enable it to go upside down too? How will the coaster stay on the track and have enough friction to precisely lift itself uphill?
  • What type of motor should I use? What are the tradeoffs for this tiny toy application?
  • How to power it? Is a 30 minute runtime with 2 hour charge time (lithium ion battery) better than a 3 minute runtime with a 2 minute (or less?!) charge time (lithium ion capacitor)?
  • How to easily "program" different behaviors for different track sections without requiring camera processing (not reliable in darkness) or wireless transmission (drains battery)?
  • Can it be made robustly and cheaply enough that families with children can afford it?
  • Why bother? Why is this worth spending time enabling? What are the failure modes of other options?

I will attempt to answer these and many other sub-questions in the next few months, and look forward to your feedback and ideas!

  • Motor Options

    Nolan Hergert12/26/2023 at 07:38 5 comments

    The requirements for this project are fairly unique. It needs to be a very small motor with precise motion at low speeds while still maintaining decent torque in not that high of cost or weight. More specifically:

    • Size: To scale with, say, a LEGO character and fit horizontally on a hot wheels track. <10mm in height and < 30mm in width including wheels. 
    • Torque: Needs to lift 4-5 LEGO characters at 3g each, some 3D printed cars (5g?), a battery (6-8g for 10x30 LIC), and the motor itself. 
    • Speed: 100cm / sec max speed, but ideally even faster if someone wants to emulate a "Hot Wheels" speed.
    • Cost: Ideally under $5 for the powertrain, direct from the factory in quantity

    Sounds impossible, right?! Turns out there are a number of options still, let's go through them!

    Continuous servo-style motor

    I've seen cheap brushed DC motors with gearboxes and encoders that are small and cheap. Here is an FS90 from Adafruit (https://www.adafruit.com/product/2442):Continuous Rotation Micro ServoA similar style was pursued by the Anki Drive team for their sort of similar toy car project (more like slot car racing), with brushed motors, a bevel gear and magnetic sensors. Here's a picture from the excellent teardown by Lee Teschler: https://www.microcontrollertips.com/teardown-inside-anki-overdrive-racecar-set/

    Some positives include low cost and less power draw. The brushes on the motors should be able to last long enough for a toy too.

    However, there are some downsides!

    • There's a tendency for cheap plastic gearboxes to be "squeaky", like this video, even when new. I want to avoid that!
    • I'm not confident I can get high torque at low speeds while still getting high speeds. All while getting precise motion too (requires good PID tuning)! One way to put it is I don't know what the "dynamic range" of a brushed motor is. Thoughts?


    Stepper Motors

    By outsourcing the "switching" brush mechanism to a microcontroller, brushless motors increase the resolution of the steps they are able to make at the turning level, no gearbox or feedback needed!

    These types of motors are all over the place, but importantly still made cheaply ($1) in small electronic devices like DVD drives and cameras with zoom lenses. 

    I had the opportunity on a vacation trip to Shenzhen to visit a few factories, and was able to go to a motor factory that made stepper motors among other things. They bothered to film me looking at things and asking questions, did a tea ceremony, and took me out to eat afterwards and made a video! It was flattering for just a guy with an idea, but maybe that was the point too!

    Aaanyways, among lots of other learnings I took away some key points:

    • The yield for 8mm diameter and below stepper motors is not great, so the prices start increasing a lot. Better to go with 10mm stepper motors and higher.
    • While some steps in the factory are automatic, others are manual. They were tinning the motor pins into a solder bowl by hand! It varies from factory to factory, which interestingly makes some more flexible / lower MOQ than others.
    • They gave me a great idea to use a dual stepper motor design with a common shaft. Since I am riding on a Hot Wheels-style track, I don't think I need independent motor speeds and I get double the torque and a mechanical design more robust to dropping. He even gave me one to take home!
      • I got the datasheets for a 10mm variant of one of these motors (not double sided).
      • Torque: Up to 20 gf.cm of torque per motor at standstill (while gulping down 200mA of current). Assuming a wheel size around 13mm and a weight of 5g each, the total torque requirement above is ~31 g/cm of torque, including two motors. 31 < 40 with a good margin, so we're good!
      • Speed: 2400 rpm, which with a 13mm wheel gives a top speed of 163 cm / sec. Not bad!
      • Cost: One motor is 6rmb, so probably 15 rmb for two together = $2. Great!
    • The owner emphasized the importance of good bonding (UV cure resin of some kind) between...
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