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# One Transistor Latch

Is it possible to make a latch with one transistor? Is it possible to use it to make logic?

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The third answer in the linked stack exchange post suggests that it might be possible to make a latch with one transistor .The idea is that logic values are represented by presence or absence of a specific frequency oscillation instead a high or low voltage.

Is this actually possible? If it is, can you build digital logic based on this technique. Can it be simpler than conventional transistor transistor logic?

This would be similar to "code golf" where you try to write the shortest program to do something.

Probably a quixotic search, but I think I'll learn a lot about transistor math in the process.

A separate project that is interesting to me is to make a microprocessor with a minimal number of transistors. Wikipedia says that an 8080 has about 4500 transistors. Can that be substantially decreased? If you take out some of the features like interrupts and BCD is it possible to use fewer (performance be damned).

• 1 × Transistor
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Bill Smith5 days ago 0 comments

I checked the idea of using two capacitors. It doesn't work.

It's hard to get a sample image from my simulation that is easy to explain, but it is not going to work.

• ### waveform # 1

Bill Smith5 days ago 0 comments

This is one possible waveform for voltage on the latch's main capacitor. The idea is that the high (red) and low (blue) values are 180° out of phase from each other.  The power signal provides the concept of phase.

There has to be at least an additional capacitor or inductor to distinguish the state when the two waveforms cross each other.

[I put this in description instead of project log. moving it here]

• ### 180 degrees out of phase

Bill Smith10/09/2015 at 16:32 0 comments

While brainstorming, I thought of a potential implementation. The signals would oscillations 180 degrees out of phase to represent zero and one instead of yes oscillation/no oscillation.

Another brainstorming idea is to make the power supply oscillate at twice the speed of the data's oscillation. Most probably the polarity of the supply wouldn't go from + to - . Instead it would be offset from zero by a volt or two. For example, Peak to peak might between 1V and 4V.

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## Discussions

Ted Yapo wrote 5 days ago point

What about using both AC and DC supplies?  This is how #The Diode Clock works, for example - it uses an RF power supply with DC bias controlling PIN diodes (1N4007s).  Maybe you could make a one-transistor latch along the same lines as the old one-transistor reflex radios, where the same transistor amplified both RF and audio?

Maybe the transistor can switch RF that it also rectifies to produce its own bias, and work like the two-diode latch I added this morning? https://hackaday.io/project/11860-diodes-only/log/71315-two-diode-latch

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Bill Smith wrote 5 days ago point

I'd like to only use one silicon component. Once I get an idea that simulates ok, I'll have to see how fast I can make it too....

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agp.cooper wrote 12/31/2016 at 08:19 point

Hi Bill,

Two transistors, most definitely.

One transistor? Yes but messy!

I came across something a worth a look a few day ago.

It was a neon latch or memory circuit.

This was not it but similar, see ge69.jpg in http://www.tuberadios.com/ge.zip.

So swap the Neon with a transistor in reverse CE breakdown mode (about 8v) as shown in this relaxation oscillator:

You will find similar circuits using tunnel diodes.

Regards AlanX

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Bill Smith wrote 01/02/2017 at 00:20 point

Thanks for the info!

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matseng wrote 01/02/2017 at 01:06 point

That is kinda strange, I also just recently stumbled across an old article about a neon-based latch/memory design.

I guess that it might have been a link from inside the pages from one of Yann's postings.

A few kilobytes of neon memory would look awesome, I really would like to see one....

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matseng wrote 01/02/2017 at 01:08 point

hmmm...  Saw the "Found" note one your post. :-)   So not posted by Yann then... But it easily could have been - it's straight up his alley.

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