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A event log for Keeping Ham Radio Relevant Hack Chat

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lutetiumLutetium 02/05/2020 at 21:030 Comments

de∫hipu11:06 AM

https://hackaday.io/project/169574-keeping-ham-radio-relevant-hack-chat

HACKADAY

Keeping Ham Radio Relevant Hack Chat

Josh Nass (KI6NAZ) will host the Hack Chat on Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at noon Pacific Time. Time zones got you down? Here's a handy time converter! It may not seem like it, but amateur radio is fighting a two-front war for its continued existence.

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shalom11:07 AM
Oh ok, thanks @de∫hipu

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ashok das11:13 AM
Hi all. I am first time here.

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ashok das11:15 AM
Can anyone tell me how this hack chat works. I thought it will be like a Skype call. But it is not.

ziggurat2911:15 AM
it's like Skype with no video, lol

ziggurat2911:15 AM
More like IRC

DEVNU1111:15 AM
Any hams in here?

de∫hipu11:15 AM
a broken version of irc eating your cpu and ram

William Stearns11:16 AM
yup

Kevin11:16 AM
It is just a text chat done here. If you have questions there is a page where the questions need to be placed. The URL for the page with the questions will be posted when the hack chat begins.

ziggurat2911:16 AM
@de∫hipu LOL!!

Kevin11:16 AM
@DEVNU11 Yes. VE3 here.

edwin11:16 AM
like PSK31 ?

Bharbour11:17 AM
'cept faster

Dan Twedt11:17 AM
KK6VDR Extra here.

edwin11:17 AM
@Bharbour WAY WAY faster

de∫hipu11:17 AM
at least it doesn't send the contents of your disk to the mothership, like skype does

DEVNU1111:17 AM
I'm Laurel VE from Madison County OH ham club

ashok das11:18 AM
Got it. Thanks

Bharbour11:18 AM
KE7FEF here in Arizona

ashok das11:19 AM
Is the hack chat started @Kevin

Dan Maloney11:19 AM
Hi @Dan Twedt and @DEVNU11. And @Bharbour - welcome! I assume you're here for the Hack Chat, which starts in about 40 minutes

William Stearns11:19 AM
NE4RD here in Montucky.

Kevin11:19 AM
@ashok das Another 40 minutes.

William Stearns11:19 AM
Yup, waiting for the clock to spin

Kevin11:20 AM
@William Stearns Nice call sign. :)

Makdaam11:20 AM
Hello everyone

Dan Twedt11:22 AM
KK6VDR@PermaTrail.org, Ventura County California. Hello to all you hams! (What if an aquaponic buckyball crashed into a solar-thermal concentrator tracking ham yurt/

shack?)

ashok das11:25 AM
Ok waiting.

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eric.j.brewer11:33 AM
WAITING... - Eric J Brewer [KG7STP]

  .  http://www.linkedin.com/in/ericbrewer

 ..: Community Emergency Volunteer King County Washington 

     Team Rubicon Region X Disaster Team     

FEMA Citizen Corps Issaquah / Redmond, WA

Andrew11:35 AM
VA2ONE Montréal area Ham here waiting for the fun to start :)

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Andrew11:36 AM
Is he going to be streaming on YouTube at the same time?

Lazer.Coh3n11:41 AM
Gosh i wish I had an O-scope

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Dr. Cockroach11:44 AM
@Andrew , WA4JAT here in North Carolina :-)

ziggurat2911:45 AM
@Andrew unknown; is his stuff usually life-streamed? to wit, this is all text

@Lazer.Coh3n getcha one! it will change your life. get a 4-chan if you can swing the extra couple bucks

Dan Maloney11:50 AM
Hi fellow hams, welcome to the Hack Chat! We'll get started in about 10 minutes. @Andrew no, there's no YouTube stream for this one.

Sterling Mann11:50 AM
de N0SSC

Bharbour11:51 AM
@Lazer.Coh3n Even a simple scope is a big improvement over no scope, but get the best you can afford and keep it a long time.

KC2FRH11:52 AM
Hello alll! Kc2frm here, from forest grove, or.

Dan Twedt11:52 AM
Will the chat and earlier comments be archived? I'm new to the chat but didn't see a way to upvote/react to the many amazing observations.

Dan Maloney11:53 AM
@Dan Twedt - yes, I pull a transcript after the chat is over and post it on the event page. I'll make sure I go back past the official start - lot's of great stuff already!

Robert A. Campbell11:55 AM
KJ7DHS ready to go - looking forward to great discussion!

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KI6NAZ Josh11:56 AM
Hello!

Corey Shields11:57 AM
o/

f4hdk11:57 AM
Hello this is Guillaume F4HDK from France.

Dan Maloney11:57 AM
Hi @KI6NAZ Josh ! We've already got a huge crowd, we'll just let the stragglers come along and start in a minute

KI6NAZ Josh11:57 AM
Sounds good!

W4KRL11:58 AM
First time here. Is this audio or text only?

Dan Maloney11:58 AM
@W4KRL - text only

W4KRL11:59 AM
Roger

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Jayson.legg11:59 AM
Just so you are forewarned @KI6NAZ Josh , my wife is going to hold you responsible for this new ham hobby you got me into hahaha

KI6NAZ Josh12:00 PM
Tell her I am sorry! 😅

Dan Twedt12:00 PM
I wonder how many hams are on hackaday and what % of accounts they are.

Sterling Mann12:00 PM
you should have your wife meet his wife!

Dan Maloney12:00 PM
Hi everyone, welcome to the Hack Chat! Looks like we've got quite a lot of interest in our topic today, Keeping Ham Radio Relevant. Let's welcome @KI6NAZ Josh to the Chat and get started!

KI6NAZ Josh12:00 PM
Hi all!

Dan Maloney12:00 PM
Josh, can you tell a little about your background and maybe your ham journey too?

Michael Mason12:01 PM
Welcome, @KI6NAZ Josh . Thank you for all you do for.

KI6NAZ Josh12:01 PM
Sure, I’m a SW engineering in SoCal. As part of a project I was on my first Elmer recommended I get my license back in 07’. Which got me started. Before that I was introduced to ham radio via the Boy Scouts.

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KI6NAZ Josh12:02 PM
Since then I have basically just kept learning about radio following what interested me in the hobby. There is a lot to learn out there in radio.

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Dan Maloney12:02 PM
Boy Scouts used to be a great feeder for ham. I hope they still do it.

William Stearns12:03 PM
Um, still is.

Sterling Mann12:03 PM
https://www.scouting.org/jota/ ^

KI6NAZ Josh12:03 PM
It is my understanding the merit badge for radio has changed a lot. I will be learning more as my son just started in scouting.

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Dan Maloney12:03 PM
Awesome, good to know

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Dan Maloney12:03 PM
I assume the "J" in "JOTA" stands for jamborees?

chriscoel12:04 PM
yes

chriscoel12:04 PM
Jamborees On The Air

KI6NAZ Josh12:04 PM
Yes, the yearly scouting campout event.

William Stearns12:04 PM
Correct, it's the "travel free jamboree"

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morgan12:05 PM
heh cool, is that like 'calling into' a jamboree?

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Dan Maloney12:05 PM
Speaking of camping out, liked the SOTA campout from November on your channel, @KI6NAZ Josh

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KI6NAZ Josh12:06 PM
Yes, one of the big things that pushed me to go from Technician to General was access to the HF bands to work Summits On The Air. A radio event where we hike to the top of mountains and make contents for points. I held an overnight campout on a summit last November.

Sterling Mann12:07 PM
it was fun and refreshing! I'm glad i got to go

Dan Twedt12:07 PM
(Speaking of Elmers...IMHO "Elmer-ing" is going to be #1 for keeping ham relevant!)

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Dean12:07 PM
What antennas and mode do most SOTA participants use?

KI6NAZ Josh12:07 PM
We had about ten people camp out with us and all those wanted to got on the air. Hi Sterling! Sterling was one of the out of towners that joined us.

Andy C12:07 PM
contents = contacts

Scott Cavazos12:07 PM
I know some are concerned that amateur radio isn't attracting a lot of youth. Are there some other events that are youth focused other than scouting?

Sterling Mann12:08 PM
@Dan Twedt however a lot of people have been turned off even at the word "elmer" in favor of "mentor" since times have changed

William Stearns12:08 PM
YOTA, School Club Roundup, etc

KI6NAZ Josh12:08 PM
Generally, people use 20 meter and 40 meter dipoles. But End-Fed Half Wave antennas are also very popular.

W4KRL12:08 PM
STEM is youth-focused.

Dan Maloney12:08 PM
That video came out just before Supercon in Pasadena. I'm sure it was actually some time before, but when I first saw it I felt like I missed the chance since I was right there.

Sterling Mann12:09 PM
@cqw4olv https://ham-yota.com, https://youthontheair.org, https://yarc.world, http://yacht.younghams.org/ are some youth orgs

Scott Cavazos12:09 PM
Thank you Sterling

Jayson.legg12:09 PM
I'll have to check my kids school and see if they bring anyone in for the ham side of STEM

Dan Twedt12:09 PM
Boys and Girls clubs are usually open to adults presenting educational stuff. (Mentor is a better word than Elmer, agree)

Doug12:09 PM
Here in my part of the USA, there are so many interests for scout to be involve in, electronics and amateur radio, are pretty low on the totem pole. The local ham club I belong to has several log time scouting leadh Hopefully this chay profuces great suggestions

KI6NAZ Josh12:09 PM
The nice thing about the campout is that the camp site is on the summit.

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Dean12:10 PM
The worldwide December YOTA event seemed very successful: https://events.ham-yota.com/

wmckay8512:10 PM
Hey all

W4KRL12:10 PM
Decades ago I was an urban 4H member of the Electric Club. It may be useful to reach out to rural clubs as those youth may not have the Internet as a distraction.

Dean12:11 PM
Thanks Josh. Do SOTA ops tend to be on SSB or FT8 or CW?

chriscoel12:11 PM
SSB/CW most often due to weight of a laptop is a bit much

KI6NAZ Josh12:11 PM
I’ve noticed that younger people and those new to radio find it interesting to build tape measure yagi antennas and learn the process of direction finding. It’s a good small group activity. Beacons can be purchased cheaply, or just have a ham in a bunch calling out to test the antennas.

KI6NAZ Josh12:12 PM
@Dean It seems a lot of SOTA activators use CW (Morse code). However, most of the Youtubers that do SOTA vids are on phone (ssb). Digital modes like FT8 are beginning to see some use.

KI6NAZ Josh12:13 PM
CW is great since it “goes further” than voice on our lower powered QRP radios that are easy to hike with.

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Martin Mortensen12:13 PM
for communication it's hard to compete with cell phones. Youth are always texting now days is there a ham alternative that would have any advantage.

ashok das12:13 PM
I am really interested in CW. Is it really true that can reach long distance with CW ?

Dan Twedt12:13 PM
(Those tape measure yagis ... great display of imagination-capturing upcycling)

Sterling Mann12:14 PM
I'm finding it's a lot easier to learn CW than i thought before I started. two weeks on https://lcwo.net/ and I have almost all the characters learned.

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