@Michael Weinberg And isn't the new US law that it is the first "inverntor" to patent not "person". if you are the first to put it in the public domain isn't that prove you are the inventor
@Anthony Kouttron that's right. When you think about open source hardware, thing about four parts: hardware, software, documentation, and TM
What if *you* released something to public domain. Can *you* then still go and patent that same thing?
but putting it in the public domain practically bans you from patenting it
when you openly license the hardware, software, and documentation you are not also licensing the trademark
@Daren Schwenke I think you have one year
@John Loefler I think I remember seeing that too
@David Troetschel I believe the rule is 1 year after public disclosure
think of the trademark as being where you go to start answering the question "who is responsible for this board that just caught fire?"
the first place it should point you to is the person/company that actually manufactured the thing, not the person/company that came up with the design
which makes me wonder, do disclaimers work for hardware designs as well?
if I release a design of something, can they come knocking on my door when it explodes in their hands?
to step back, the reason that all of this matters is because when people say that they want to 'open source their hardware' we want to make sure that they have not inadvertently left barriers to future users because they did not license things properly
you can state warnings and such if it makes you feel better but it can't really stop someone from trying
disclaimers never hurt (that's why you see them everywhere) but there are some things you can't disclaim away.
but if all that can´t be enforced, does it even matter for hardware?
that's what worries me
they can be enforced, it just depends on the context
there are questions about how responsible a designer is if they just release digital files (as opposed to create a board and ship it)
Thanks for all the information guys! this really helps. Going back to what @David Troetschel mentioned, can I have a piece of hardware registered open source hardware and cern hardware at the same time? Is that even possible?
with 3d priting and such, that becomes a moot question
also if you did something totally negligently like design the board to explode whenever someone turns it on a disclaimer probably won't save you
@Anthony Kouttron totally!
They are complimentary.
"Licensed under CERN OHL v.1.2 or later http://ohwr.org/cernohl
Creative Commons LicenseGeometer by David Troetschel is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License.
Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available at firstname.lastname@example.org.
Open Source Hardware Association Certification https://certification.oshwa.org/us000157.html"
this is for Geometer
Geometer is a new design tool and form language mediating between the physical and digital world. It is made to be understandable, communicable and dynamic. -No black box, encouraging active participation and goal oriented design. -Components open a channel for dialogue around relationships and patterns.
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