Has anyone tried an alternative to the Raspberry Pi Zero W?

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I am able to use the 3B with a rover chassis with it so far. Check Pishop.us They currently have a zero W in stock and their stock seems to be pretty decent these days if you keep an eye on it. I was also able to get a pi4 for retail price on sparkfun recently. They currently have a zero W in stock as well (the zero 2 is hard to find anywhere) Shipping is free if you order over 100$ of things

hey everyone.  I have ran into an issue.  I'm not sure if  the node source 17 still works. I keep receiving "sudo: npm: command not found

hallo, sehr schönes Projekt. Folgendes Problem: beim einschalten dreht ein Motor an gpio 4, bis der pi hochgefahren und mit WiFi verbunden ist. Danach funktioniert alles.

problem gelößt. gpio ist beim start auf high. ich habe es auf gpio 23 geändert.

I got a Problem, everything worked just fine i could connect via Phone and controll it. I could take Pictures, controll the Lights and read the Temparature and Voltage. Now my Problem is everything works only the Stream doesn't show. I still can take Pictures that show an Image of what i should see. I tried another Pi but it didn't work and i reinstalled everything and tried the provided Image but that also didn't help.

(fixed) Is the provided SD card image still working? (It is, just double check that the wpa_supplicant file information saved). I can't seem to ping my PI or find it on my browser.

A few notes, some npm packages are missing to run the app, you need to run:

sudo npm install coffee-script
sudo npm install node-ads1x15

Now I have had problems with the ads1x15 module, so I had to disable it (I'll come back if I fix it), but to run the app.js just change this line of code:

if(!adc.busy){   ---> if(false){

basically we prevent the ads1115 to be read since it was causing problems for me.

The camera stream had also some problems:

You  need to change the path for the CMakeList.txt for the raspicam plugin. Basically this changes: https://github.com/jacksonliam/mjpg-streamer/pull/339/commits/b90dbb89987c6ebe0725b9589e1932e8f4bb6aa4

And you need to enable legacy camera:

https://github.com/jacksonliam/mjpg-streamer/issues/176#issuecomment-1024719781

https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/accessories/camera.html#re-enabling-the-legacy-stack

Good luck!

Figured out the reading voltage problem, the I2C was not enabled in the raspberry, use this to enable:

https://pi3g.com/2021/05/20/enabling-and-checking-i2c-on-the-raspberry-pi-using-the-command-line-for-your-own-scripts/

Just a few notes on how to make the raspberry as wifi AP so you don't need to connect the robot to any wifi, you can connect to the robot's wifi and run it from your phone the same way.

Use this instructions, but you can skip the steps 6, 7 and 8 (no need for packet forwarding):

https://thepi.io/how-to-use-your-raspberry-pi-as-a-wireless-access-point/

For some updates on the hostapd you will probably have to run these commands:

sudo systemctl unmask hostapd
sudo systemctl enable hostapd

Similar to this instructions https://howchoo.com/pi/setup-a-raspberry-pi-wireless-access-point

Hello Max, I only have access to the new Raspberry Pi Zero W 2 and I found that the default image doesn't boot on the new Zero W2 so Proceeded with your instructions to get the project using Github ,but it's giving me an access denied when I try to connect to the Zerobot via web.  I also seem to having an issue with the PI camera not being recognized, but I'm guessing that's not related but thought I would mention it as well in case anybody has any suggestions. 

Update on Camera issue:  

Looks like there is a known issue with Pi Zero W2 and they are working on a fix see thread here https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=323462

Hi Gary, my hexapod project is using similar software and hardware as the ZeroBot. I recently upgraded it to a Pi Zero 2 using a Raspbian Buster image. There seem to be many changes in Bullseye that break old functionality. There is a new legacy firmware because of this: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/new-old-functionality-with-raspberry-pi-os-legacy/

Maybe you will have more luck with this instead of waiting for the bullseye fix.

Thanks for the quick reply and I will give the Buster image a try and update with the progress.  I currently have a working Zerobot, tracked version, with your original image and an older Pi Zero W but wanted to build your original wheeled version and didn't want to wait until the older Pi Zero is in stock again.

Not sure if it's completely working, but when I go the IP address of the Pi on port 3000 the camera is working and the webpage looks correct, but the shutdown button doesn't do anything, so I think I have some more work to do.  I do not have the motors hooked up yet, but I plan to do that tomorrow and I will provide an update.

This is what worked for me for the Raspberry Pi Zero W 2 using the "Rasbian Pi OS (Buster) image (Doesn't work at all with Bullseye at all)

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get upgrade
sudo apt install apache2 -y
curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_17.x | sudo -E bash -
sudo apt install -y nodejs
git clone https://github.com/CoretechR/ZeroBot Desktop/touchUI
cd Desktop/touchUI
sudo npm install express
sudo npm install socket.io
sudo npm install pi-gpio
sudo npm install pigpio

I also had to remove the required module lines in the "app.js" file because I could not get the model for the ADS1115 to load on the Pi Zero W 2 for some reason.

I then followed the rest of your instructions to the letter for the rest of the install.  

It's a start and I think I should be able to figure the rest out and provide complete instructions of how I got it working the Pi Zero W2 shortly.

Thanks again for your help on this Max!

hey check my comments, I figure out the solution for most of the problems.

Although I have read that for a new raspberry pi 64 bits, there might be extra problems with the camera stream:

https://github.com/jacksonliam/mjpg-streamer/issues/296

hello Max. i watched your project, and it was very impressive. i want to make it but  the URL of motor driver,  power bank and camera is unavailable. i have no idea that what should i use. can you help me? 

hi Max, thank you for this great project! Do I need protected or unprotected 18650 batteries? I'd prefer protected by of course but I do not know if the extra PCB would somehow interfere with the other parts...

I have only used unprotected cells when I made the robot. If I did the project today I would go for protected batteries as well, it's just safer. There should be just enough room, depending on where the PCB is mounted.

Hey Max - thanks for creating Zerobot. It looks like a fantastic project. I've just bought the components. Question - did you dremel / snap off the axel from the yellow motor on one side? It looks like it gets in the way of the battery otherwise.

Sorry for the late reply, you probably solved the problem yourself by now.
Anyway, yes, the inner axle has to be cut off. Its made from relatively soft plastic so it should be easy.

Thanks for getting back. Yes, I got it working - it's been a fun project. The controlling method is great, especially since it works from a phone or computer. I've ordered a fisheye lens in order to make driving easier. I'm nervous about the hot glue not being strong enough around the usb port, so I just always leave a little usb cable plugged in. Do you just use hot glue for the usb port? One issue I've had is that if the robot leaves wifi it just keeps driving at its original bearing. I saw another project where the creater had a "health check" which pings the controller every 2 seconds and stops the motor if health check fails. Anyways, great work. I'd like to try out your mini version using ESP32, but it would be nice to adapt the enclosure for an ESP32-Cam, which seem much more available.

Hot glue might not be ideal, but it worked well for me so far. 

 A health check is a great idea to make the connection more reliable. And it should not be too difficult to implement. I am working on a similar project right now where this will come in handy. Thanks!

HI Max, Its been great following and building this project. Unforntunatly Ive stumbled at the last post and found that the battery does not have enough juice to power the PI/camera/adc. Maybe perhaps because I chose to power the PI through the micro USB port as I wasnt willing to take a risk without any safety features, I cant afford to loose a board. Will this affect the current/power drawn from the batteries for the camera and ADC ? Thanks.

Of course you can power the Pi through its USB port as well. I soldered directly to the board because that was more convenient. I think the 5V solder pad on the bottom is directly connected to the USB port. 

After burning a few Pi boards I have decided to go a different way and power the Pi with a sepparate battery. This way I have more control over the power that goes each way.

Now I am trying to modify the code so I can change the two wheel steering method you use and add a servo or another dc motor for using front wheel steering. Do you have any guide to changing your code, before I go into a trial and error learning?

Thank you very much for all the information you gave here.

There is a function "tankDrive" in the Touch.html that you might want to start with. It maps the user inputs to two PWM outputs. You could try hooking up a servo to one of the PWM pins to see if that works already. If not, you need to change the app.js file.

Hi, I'm wondering if you know the cost of 3D printing each robot body? Or, at least the weight of the material used? Thanks.

I'm having trouble with flashing the images.  They do install,  but will not boot.  Installing a Raspian image, works fine,  boots and connects.  Then when trying to do the manual install,  packages won't install,  or errors show up.  Clearly, something doesn't match !  Does anyone have this working on a 3B+ ?  If so,  can you share a working image i can reconfigure for my network?  I hate building it, and not being able to use it !!!   Thanks everyone !

Did you ever find a solution?  I was able to flash to an SD card and boot up on a 3B+, but then I fried the 3B+ (unrelated error) and replaced it with another.  I can't get the other to boot up to the image.  However, I can flash the RP Desktop to a card and have it boot with no problem.

Should this work on a full sized Raspberry Pi 3 B+? I don't have a spare Zero, and the full sized would be better for the camera feed. I tried but it just gets stuck on the colourful boot screen. 

I also tried the manual install but had a whole bunch of errors. 

Yes, I am sure it should work. I've developed the software on a Pi 3 before moving it to the Zero. Maybe there was a problem with flashing the image file? Did you follow the latest tutorial?

hello. First of all I would like to thank you for sharing this. It is a great project. It am quite new to this world but with your instructions I have managed to get all this done in no time.

I have managed to get most of it working with the exception of the motors. Once the robot starts I can hear the motors trying to move but they don't seem to have enough power. I have 5.5v coming out of the booster but only 0.12v get to the motors. Does anyone know where could this issue come from?

Thank you.

It seems that the voltage on your motors is too low. Maybe it's a faulty motor driver. Are you using the same components and have verified your wiring with the schematic?

Hello Max. I went through the wiring and noticed the - "minus" on the motor driver came loose. I soldered that back on the - "minus" of the battery and it all worked well. For a short while at least. The Pi turned itself off and I thought the battery might have run dry. So I charged them back up and when I turned it back on one of the motors started for a few seconds while the Pi was booting then it all went off. Now I have another burned Pi. Could some have discharged while turning on and burned the Pi? I'll order another one and hopefully I won't break this one too (second one so far).

Hey max would you mind updating the Components list with your latest recommendations for components?  I ordered a PiZero but find myself wandering this long forum to order parts that may not be right to start this project.  Appreciate all the work you've done.

Did not need to adjust the ports or IP address. although I did change it for the AP. I want to give it another test using the same IP... seeing as how it will be the only thing on the AP it should not conflict with anything. I did get it working though. Apparently there is one last network upgrade that was done at the very end that changed something. What was being changed... I am not sure. I set it up without the upgrade and it worked. Now I just need to add a button to  your interface to enter WiFi credentials. This will allow the user to access the bot from their phone and play , then enter WiFi credentials and reboot and be on the network. :) its been a long day and my eyes hurt from reading to find my issue, but for the most part it works!

Other then adding new WiFi ssid's and clearing the wpa supplicant to be able to freely swap between WiFi and ap, the next part that I am not sure how to do is how to get the local IP assigned when adding it to a new network , w/o having access to the router.

I hope that made sense 

Would you like a working sd card image to play with once i finish it?

Great work! I have not been actively working on this project for a while but I would definitely be interested in an SD image. 

I took your advice and checked the port and where we are getting the IP address. The only thing I can find in the touch.html file is where its getting the stream from. If the stream was broken, the UI would still appear because its coming directly from the HTML page, right? 

I am going to load another sd card and do some more testing to see if I can figure out what I did that made it stop working properly. Ill get back to you asap. I really hope to get this working, because having the ability to reassign the wifi ssid and password from your phone, or just opt to connect to the phone directly would be absolutely awesome.

I could have sworn I saw a place that explained what to do to swap the bot to ADHOC to directly connect to a phone. Am I not seeing it? 

It's been a while since I tried that but this looks like a good place to start:

https://howtoraspberrypi.com/create-a-wi-fi-hotspot-in-less-than-10-minutes-with-pi-raspberry/

You might have to adjust the ip address inside the touchUI html file too.

So I had to run the update and upgrade. Once done I ran the script  from https://github.com/idev1/rpihotspot . The hotspot seems to work just like its supposed to. When I type in the ip address I get the "Almost there! redirecting to port 3000" message, then when the redirect happens, I get site cannot be reached the ip address refused connection. 

I also tried to access the app from the pi itself using the local host command and I get the same thing. I am thinking the update/upgrade changed something but I am not sure. I am not really sure on where to go from here to find out what is going on. If you have the time, mind helping me figure it out? Once done I would be happy to pass along a completed updated image, so others can use the hotspot function I am wanting.

I am able to connect to the pi via vnc and ssh just like before I added the hotspot ap script.

Have you tried other ports/ip addresses? The touchUI.html file might have the wrong IP for the stream. Port 9000 is usually the stream that you can try to access directly in the browser.