anyone that has ideas to improve my DIY FSRs( Force Sensing Resistors)?
Michele Perla wrote 01/12/2017 at 14:40 • 0 pointsHi guys,
if you know FSRs, you know they are really expensive. If you need just one, maybe you'd better buy a professionally made one. But if like me you needed more than 10, well price becomes an issue.
I have an idea on how to make cheap FSRs that I tested a couple of years ago (you can check out this project for the implementation https://hackaday.io/project/1601-diy-usb-midi-controller-mpc-style , project linked just for reference, not for extra likes).
The cheap and dirty version is to just take a copper pad (like a square cut from copper tape, like the one Adafruit sells), stick (solder) a wire to it, put some antistatic black plushy thing that you find in IC boxes (the thing is the same as velostat), put another copper contact with a wire on it (like a sandwich basically) and seal everything together. If you need it to work as an open circuit when not pressed, just leave an air gap between one contact and the antistatic material (like a little frame, for example a couple of layers of adhesive tape on the sides of one contact should work fine).
Since I did not like having two separate layers of copper to make one FSR, I tried using a PCB, and it worked fine.
The idea is to have interdigited contacts laid out on a PCB, then have a sheet of plastic with holes above the contacts, and another sheet of plastic with Velostat pieces where the contacts are. The sheet with holes works as a spacer, that is to leave an air gap between the velostat and the contacts.
The problem with this approach is that I could not find an easily available glue that works well with Velostat so the sensors will eventually fail when the adhesive does not work anymore.
I might need these for a project I want to make in the near future and I was looking on ideas to improve this design.
For example, I was thinking of using a laminator to properly stick together the spacer, the velostat contacts and the cover, but I don't have one at hand and I don't knowif it will work or not.
I also think that the best would be to have custom made rubber pads with velostat contacts underneath each pad; this would be the cheapest way because you would just need a PCB with the contacts and the custom rubber pad to put on top of it, but I have no idea how to source these, and even if I could find someone available to do them I don't think they would make one-offs, I would have to source a lot of them.
So, does anyone have a better way of laying little velostat pieces on top of the contacts made on a PCB, a way that is reliable and repeatable? Or does anyone know a fab that could make custom rubber pads with velostat implants underneath them? Anyone that worked with rubber knows if it is actually feasible to mix velostat and rubber together? Finally, is there an actual need for these that would justify an eventual crowdfunding project to actually start making these rubber pads?
Extra: do you think Intersil/Sensitronics would get pissed off about such project? I don't know if these things could be open-sourced given the patents they have in place.
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You could try using Peratech's Quantum Tunneling Composite. https://www.peratech.com/what-is-qtc.html
It comes in dots, sheets etc. and is the professional version of what you are doing with the antistatic (brilliant low tech solution by the way). If you dont want to buy it, it can be stripped from a modern TV remote control. Things like XBox controllers also have pressure-sensitive rubbers in the membranes under their buttons.
Instead of pressing a block of resistive material between two opposing contacts, you could consider bridging two tracks next to each other with the material and pressing on it with a non-conductive one.
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Hi Michele, the things you're referring to are indeed different, and in a different field of application, than what I used to work with. I only browsed the explaination part of one patent, but without a thorough analysis of the patent's claims (and of the state of the art at large) I would be very careful before starting anything on Kickstarter (you'll want to avoid receiving mail from lawyers).
However, in my understanding (I'm not a lawyer!) you can build something that's protected by patents, but you can't commercialize it. Selling parts that make it trivial to build something that is protected by a patent can also be considered an infringement (e.g. http://www.lawqa.com/qa/will-selling-individual-off-shelf-components-or-kits-of-commercial-product-infringe-on-its-patent ).
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I've seen force sensing done using a small magnet on a pice of slightly elastic material, and a Hall effect sensor. There was a hackaday article about a project that just mounted the hall sensors and magnets on nylon servo horns, and measured the force by how much they bend...
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I worked with Intersil sensors more than 20 years ago, and I might have some samples in the basement. Certain cheap keyboards use similar building blocks (contact comb, conductive coating, spacer) as the pressure sensing type (there is also a pressure and position sensing type, similar to a resistive touchpad). It would be interesting to see what's actually covered by patents. Can you provide the publication numbers?
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Sorry for the misspelling, the FSR company was Interlink :) anyway, most patents are under the name of Franklin Eventoff, the founder of former Interlink and of Sensitronics now.
http://patents.justia.com/inventor/franklin-n-eventoff
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