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SecSavr [gd0036]

A 3D printer that I describe as "The FULL Coverage, Extended X, Pro Max, Ultramatrix Solution".

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This is not a printer project that tries to see how many features you can put into an FDM printer. This is just a normal 3D printer, doing normal things... if it was made in the year 2026.

I've come to the conclusion that designing, testing and tweaking a new printer takes a long time, especially if upgrades are involved, so I've decided to instead go with an "[insert feature] ready" approach to fufill the CostApp, SpaceApp and TimeApp.

Short for SecondSavr (as in, saving seconds of time), this specific SecSavr's humble beginnings started from a now-archived printer called the SecSavr Space. That printer, designed to be built in a 800x800mm server cabinet, had 4 printer "bays" where the Z height of a bay was adjustable, depending on what needed to be printed (e.g. compressing bays to print a one-off 700mm print, and then adjusting the bays back to 200mm each for general prints). I took inspiration from the MPCNC for the Z axis so that I could use cheaper 42.4mm galvanised tube instead of 4040 aluminium extrusion. Some designing around unplanned server cabinet rails later, I realised that tool-changing could be possible using a servo driven arm (called the SecSavr Single Arm Machine (S.A.M.). 

After months of feature research investment rounds, otherwise known in the industry as "feature creep", the printer has outgrown the server cabinet. Even though the components for each feature wasn't relatively expensive, all together it's outgrown the initial budget too. Genuinely suprising.

After power limitations, then height limitations and finally budget limitations, the amount of bays I'll be installing is 2. May 2022 prediction of BOM prices are hovering around £3800 after many cost saving adjustments.

But I haven't even told you what I'm planning on the inside yet. Let me tell you. It's got a-- [breathes in]

  • 4th axis, 5th axis,
  • A copper/white theme,
  • Continuous fibre,
  • Multi filament of 16;
  • Segmented heater bed,
  • Nozzle cam that captures 330fps,
  • Something called True IDEX,
  • Printing in chocolate;
  • Auto pancake making, (April 1st idea)
  • Magnetic tool changing,
  • Brass insert, supports and nut placing,
  • Full colour inkjet spraying;
  • Solder tool for copper wires,
  • Milling prints and PCBs,
  • Melt zone extender,
  • Max Z change for free; (belt driven Z with adjustable build height)
  • Belt bed mode for infinite Y,
  • Motors that run on 36 V,
  • Auto part eject,
  • Plus a cinema underneath. (SleepCinema frame)

And it should even staple. However, I don't think a heated chamber is going to happen, but the specific enclosure [gd0099] will be airtight.

Anyway, I still haven't found a name in the form "SecSavr [Word beginning with S]", such as the SecSavr Skyrise [gd0092]. I'll likely just keep it as "SecSavr".

  • [T] Spider V1.1?

    kelvinA12 hours ago 0 comments

    I know. This listing looks suspicious, but I'm imagining for a second that some random sellers got a bunch of old stock. At this price, I could get 3 Spiders per SecSavr Bay/Core/Somethn for like £4 more than 1 singular Super Infinity. That then gives me 24 steppers to work with, which after learning about how those cheap unipolar drivers work by just amplifying the waveform generated by the controller, I might need. I'm fine spending the calming 30+ minutes snipping pins and soldering capacitors on a bunch of stepper drivers for those kinds of gains.

  • [T] Octopus Pro Price

    kelvinA13 hours ago 0 comments

    The price of the Octopus Pro has been steadily increasing while other boards with 8 steppers have had a somewhat fixed price. Now I'm wondering if I should consider the £6 more expensive Mellow Super Infinity which has WiFi (that I won't use), more fans (that I probably won't need), more hotends (though I could probably get by with 4) and a larger footprint (which I don't want) or if I should just cut the Vmotor pins of the stepper drivers and solder a 50V or 63V capacitor with power leads on the Monster8 or other 24V only board.

  • [T] Frame: SecSavr CeilingSingle

    kelvinA3 days ago 0 comments

    Oh look at that; 50 logs already. 

    Anyway, as you may know, this SecSavr printer (that most likely would be called the SecSavr Slab) is somewhat frame agnostic. That's the reason why the frame I'm building, the SecSavr SleepCinema, has its own name. However, it's very unlikely that someone else building it is also starved for bedroom space, incentivising them to build their printer above their bed. I've also got to confirm that the "Slabs" can be stacked vertically, as originally intended in the SecSavr Space as seen below. 

    Therefore, I'm also planning to design another frame called the SecSavr CeilingSingle (the SleepCinema has 2 sets of Z tubes instead of 1). It would be somewhat of an example frame for anybody interested in building the SecSavr to start from. UK ceilings are 2.4m on average, so I'll design to that, but it doesn't need to be ceiling height if your requirements don't ask for it. Ideally, I'd also design a left-sliding and right-sliding door variant. I'm not sure if sliding doors are sound-proofable but I like the look and feel of those kinds of doors better than hinged ones, thus I'm doing it on the SleepCinema as well as the CeilingSingle.

  • [R] Spring Balancer

    kelvinA4 days ago 0 comments

    After digging around, I've found out about spring balancers. They sound like the thing I've been looking for (see previous log) in that they're a tether used to counterbalance tools to prevent strain on workers. The cool feature is that the balance force is adjustable, which is even better than a constant force or gas spring strategy. It also requires much less effort on my part to implement.

    I'm thinking that it might be possible to connect the cord ends together for SecSavr installations that have a Z height that exceeds the cord length of a single spring balance.

  • [T - E1] Counterbalancing Z Axis

    kelvinA5 days ago 0 comments

    So I did some quick maths and deduced that the tubes alone for the gantry (that moves) is 9kg for the Z axis to move. Making the bed move is not possible as this would fail the belt bed solution. That constant force spring I got a while back is a clock spring and the Aliexpress seller probably just threw keywords in the title to get shown in more search results. 

    Voron uses KeyBak for their switchwire, which is a retractable lanyard, but the price to force (and usable length) is pretty poor. All other lanyards also seem to be of low constant force. Retractable dog leashes might be an exception but I doubt it. 

    So I'm scrolling pages, feeling defeated, when I see post #3 on this forum page. So I go onto Ebay and he's right: they're cheap and can be find in a range of strengths and lengths. This is the first listing I clicked on, which prices a 400mm 800N spring at £11.99. I'll be looking for an eyelet version.

    After confirming that gas springs do exert a constant force, and thinking about this recent Slow Mo Guys Video, I started with some requirements and assumprions:

    • Expected axis weight to counterbalance:  12kgf
    • Max achievable length: 2.5m
    • Max usable extension: 380mm
    • 1kgf = 10N

    Which means the maths is:

    • 800N / 120N = 6.666 
    • 0.38m * 6.666 = 2.533m

    Oh. How convenient. That worked out rather nicely. 

    I feel like I can use some of the excess 608 bearings and M8 bolts to make some pulley. I can't imagine a suitable cable would cost more than £8, so I could potentially have a new solution for under £20, down from the > £63 solution I was originally thinking of with the clock springs. 

    Oh but pulleys can only be set up in integer values. Hmm.

    • 800N / 7 = 114N
    • 114N = 11.62kgf

    I'm sure that's close enough.

    Obviously, this also means that it should be much more scalable than the constant force spring approach. The SleepCinema only needs around about 0.7m-ish and not 2.5m like if it was a single SecSavr going from the floor to the ceiling. That would only need a 100mm extension so even the smallest (150mm) spring would suffice. I'd still like the option to reconfigure a taller SecSavr without having to buy new components, especially if I'm only saving like £3 per shorter spring.

    [E1 - 16:17] The only concern now is if the springs I've seen are damped or not. Next, I just realised/remembered that the springs are described by their max length, not by their stroke length. Lastly, this image makes me think that it's not all that constant, though the forces are not labeled so I don't know.

  • [M] Y Slider

    kelvinA05/14/2022 at 08:32 1 comment

    I think the design of the Y Slider went well. It should do the job of clamping the X axis tubes and look sleek doing it. I made sure that the X tubes were aligned with the Y tubes so that there would be no additional height lost because the X slider is sticking out.

  • [M] Z Slider

    kelvinA05/14/2022 at 05:32 0 comments

    I feel kind of lost since this is the moment when I start thinking of the actual details that turns an idea into something that would actually work, but I'm currently modelling the Z Slider. I'm doing a bit of a "Merge/Insertion Sort" like approach when it comes to housekeeping.

    I'm using a 12 sided polygon as the clamp interface between the Y axis tube and the Z axis slider. This gives some tolerance in the design.

    I originally thought of having the clamps oriented the opposite way, but I'm thinking that the design can get a higher space utilisation this way.

  • [T] Bed Holding Medium

    kelvinA05/14/2022 at 01:49 0 comments

    I've just realised that the 55x60 cm tiles originally for the SecSavr Space are not going to work for this new SecSavr inside the SleepCinema due to the fact that the Z axis tubes are almost twice their length.

    Using 42.4 or 27mm tube would cut a large chunk of Z height, so I'm thinking of using M12 or M16 threaded rod. I think it would be cool to design the SecSavr to only use M2, M4, M8 and M16 threaded entities, with the occasional M3 for electronics mounting. 

    I'm also trying to compute a bed solution that uses up a minimal amount of Z height, and being able to use the space otherwise taken up by a tile could be benificial. Also, those tiles are heavy which, while may dampen oscillations, would be somewhat difficult to adjust to a different Z height,

    I'm planning for the mount to either look like, or attach to, Key Clamp 179 which is fixed to the Z axis tubes.

    I still have an idea to use the tiles on the bottom of the printer section for aesthetics, and maybe oscillation management.

  • [T] Bed and Tool Calibration

    kelvinA05/09/2022 at 04:49 0 comments

    The past two days, I've been thinking about possible ways to automate the bed levelling process. This was because different features require different beds, meaning that they will be swaped out more than usual, as well as the W axis (rotary bed) would likely need a good amount of precision to reduce failed prints. I also wanted to see if I could further open up my bed size options to 3x2.

    Thus, I started researching motorized 3D printer bed solutions. After remembering that I have a limited amount of wires on the slip ring used for the rotary bed, and noting that I have no inherent need for the ability to have something like a 3x2 segment bed layout, I rejected the idea and the specification change. 

    However, I still believe that automatic calibration is an important feature to strive towards. It looks like 5 axis CNCs take a non-negligible amount of time to calibrate:

    Add this to the multiple bed segments that need to be adjusted, and tool offset calibrations, and there would be quite a bit of overhead time just to get a print started.

    Computer vision can be used to calibrate the tool offset for X+Y, as well as Z. I was also thinking of using computer vision to see the top of the bed leveller and use an "allen key and dial indicator" tool head to mechanically adjust the level. 

    I probably also have to add some self locking washer to the screw to prevent it from moving unintentionally, as well as some kind of endstop so that Klipper knows when the maximum limit has been reached.

  • [M] Tube Carriages

    kelvinA05/09/2022 at 04:29 0 comments

    Slow progress, but I've started modelling on the basic linear carriages for the large (42.4) and small (26.9) tubes. Singular and double refer to 1 or 2 tubes respectively. I refactored that "stiffener ring" crossbar looking section twice to get the design and timeline to be at the quality I desired. I also started using named parameters more

    I'm currently thinking of possible designs for the double tube that will allow the x axes to be as close as possible.

     I'm also wondering if I should continue designing from the frame -> [...] -> slime or if I should start working back from the slime -> [...] -> frame.

    Modelling time: 2 hours 40 minutes.

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